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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by danbmil99 »

arcticbull wrote: post #138
sillysaurusx wrote: post #99

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Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

> Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. Every group of humans - indeed, thanks to the central limit theorem, every sufficiently large sampling - is going to be normally distributed and there are going to be folks on either side offset from the mean. However, that doesn't indicate that the mean isn'…

As someone else responded, in the case of United States politics in 2021, it's pretty clear that there is not a normal gaussian distribution of opinions on various matters. I suspect for all the hot-button issues it's extremely bimodal.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by glenstein »

morelisp wrote: post #533
glenstein wrote: post #510

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The other commenter is correct that Colbert coined the term. It's true that there was a lot of talk in that era about who did or didn't adhere to "reality" and how that related to partisanship, and a segment of the blogosphere that described themselves as the "reality based community," in reponse to that Rove quote, but none of that background context has anything to do with anything when it comes to the fact that th…

Being extremely concerned over the precise origin of one particular phrasing of the joke rather than its context and influences is hilariously on-point for the 'reality-based community.' Judicious!

The background context is important, and it's true that Colbert really did coin the term. This really isn't that hard.

It should be possible to hold these two different thoughts in your head at the same time without descending into angry incredulity at anyone offering clarification.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by evgen »

vadfa wrote: post #133
otterley wrote: post #69

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I largely agree with the sentiment that we need more plumbers than liberal arts graduates. One answer, though, is "why not be both?" Post-secondary education, regardless of the specific major a student chooses, does provide a significant benefit to society: especially in the early years, it teaches students how to think critically. Perhaps this skill could be taught earlier during secondary education, but at least in…

>especially in the early years, it teaches students how to think critically Is this a thing only in the US? I went to university in Europe and there were 0 subjects that were unrelated to the (STEM) degree I chose. It was all 100% technical stuff.

This lack of any background in the humanities (including history, philosophy, or ethics) clearly shows. It is quite astounding to me how much a certain class of STEM grads like to wear their ignorance like a badge of honor and attempt to convince us all that their ability to piece together a mediocre argument using wikipedia and google searches is somehow worthy of merit.

Given the fact that the STEM subjects most in use by the HN crowd are the easiest to learn on your own I find it fascinating when people start bragging about all of the educational opportunities they avoided.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by thehappypm »

danbmil99 wrote: post #535
thehappypm wrote: post #118

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The South is a crazy place.

So is the south of France. My cousin moved to Paris because his kids were going to school with Marine Le Pen supporters

That is a pretty unhealthy reaction to living near people with a different political viewpoint.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by datameta »

hpoe wrote: post #452
datameta wrote: post #394

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This is either excellent satire or a symptom of going off the deep end.

Satire? I am offended, this is a real solution I'd dare say a final solution to the dangers of misinformation and people who think that they should be able to do what they want because of "freedumb". I think at very least we should mark people who are unvaccinated so that other people can know to stay away from them since we shouldn't make innocent people suffer because they are too evil to do the decent thing. Maybe…

Bravo. For anyone not following the very serious joke about the dangers of doing what is detailed in the parent comment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution?wprov=sfla1

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by joncrane »

thehappypm wrote: post #113
joncrane wrote: post #15

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The OP is saying the test is for holding office, not voting. There absolutely should be a higher bar for holding office than for voting.

Nope. Imagine a 99% white town where a Black man wants to run for mayor. Sorry pal, you failed the literacy test.

How do you propose we vet office holders?

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by morelisp »

glenstein wrote: post #542
morelisp wrote: post #533

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Being extremely concerned over the precise origin of one particular phrasing of the joke rather than its context and influences is hilariously on-point for the 'reality-based community.' Judicious!

The background context is important, and it's true that Colbert really did coin the term. This really isn't that hard. It should be possible to hold these two different thoughts in your head at the same time without descending into angry incredulity at anyone offering clarification.

I don't know where you see anger or incredulity in my response. Colbert told the joke first! It also doesn't matter, in exactly the way which liberals misunderstood the comment in the first place! Now it's like a double-joke because it's so ironic, and also the US is probably irrecoverably fucked up. Laughs all around!

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by glenstein »

morelisp wrote: post #547
glenstein wrote: post #542

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The background context is important, and it's true that Colbert really did coin the term. This really isn't that hard. It should be possible to hold these two different thoughts in your head at the same time without descending into angry incredulity at anyone offering clarification.

I don't know where you see anger or incredulity in my response. Colbert told the joke first! It also doesn't matter, in exactly the way which liberals misunderstood the comment in the first place! Now it's like a double-joke because it's so ironic, and also the US is probably irrecoverably fucked up. Laughs all around!

An emphatic attempt to say that a correct answer to a simple question either "doesn't matter", or is an obsessive hyperfixation, or is a failure to understand The Real Lesson is a lot of combat to engage in, all for the meager returns of taking a simple yes-or-no question and turning it into an unfocused derail.

Colbert really did coin the term and it really is that simple. You seem to just want to take a question about where a quote came from and turn it into a broader conversation about the history of the 2000s, which is all well and good but.... it's just not an answer to what was being asked.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by morelisp »

glenstein wrote: post #548
morelisp wrote: post #547

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know where you see anger or incredulity in my response. Colbert told the joke first! It also doesn't matter, in exactly the way which liberals misunderstood the comment in the first place! Now it's like a double-joke because it's so ironic, and also the US is probably irrecoverably fucked up. Laughs all around!

An emphatic attempt to say that a correct answer to a simple question either "doesn't matter", or is an obsessive hyperfixation, or is a failure to understand The Real Lesson is a lot of combat to engage in, all for the meager returns of taking a simple yes-or-no question and turning it into an unfocused derail. Colbert really did coin the term and it really is that simple. You seem to just want to take a question ab…

No.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by xapata »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #532
xapata wrote: post #530

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Let's start with the hypothetical that a pregnant woman is expected to die unless her fetus is aborted. In this rare, but frequent enough situation, society must choose between murdering the fetus through action and murdering the mother through inaction. Who would you choose to murder? Abortion isn't the only topic that people make a "moral" stance about, and in some ways it's the least interesting. It hinges on an a…

> Let's start with the hypothetical that a pregnant woman is expected to die unless her fetus is aborted... Who would you choose to murder? First, how ever cruel and wrong doing so may be, letting nature take its course isn't murder - it's something else altogether (sometimes morally defensible, sometimes not). Second, your hypothetical situation is a well-covered case in situational ethics -- "whose life to save whe…

> First, how ever cruel and wrong doing so may be, letting nature take its course isn't murder

We disagree on the definition of murder. I suppose the law might call it negligent homicide. That sounds like a type of murder.

> biology is pretty clear on when an organism is alive or not.

It is not clear at all. Are viruses alive, for example? A human body is comprised of a variety of things that might be considered individual organisms if they lived outside the body. Are they alive, separately from the human they're a part of? How about a fetus? If it's not viable outside the womb, then how can it be alive as distinct from the mother? Does technology change that decision? If so, does aliveness change depending on access to technology?

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