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California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Post by ashtonkem »

landemva wrote: post #252
RappingBoomer wrote: post #180

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ok, but the media would stop any general strike using identity politics and or Dem vs GOP polarization already existing...divide et impera...divide and conquer...we are already quite divided...and therefore quite conquered... as long as the media & its corporate advertisers can keep congress and the white house more or less evenly balanced between GOP and Dem over the long term, the people will never catch on that co…

USA probably has the least worst currency today, due to gold being centralized in USA during WW2, along with current military spending. Euro will tank before USD. If China plays it right, they can be the financial leader within ten years. 2031.

You missed the real reason USD is so stable; it’s the global reserve currency because everyone is obligated to buy oil with it.

I doubt China will be the financial leader. I think they’re basically running their economy as a giant bubble, it’ll be a bad time when it bursts.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Post by nielsbot »

isleyaardvark wrote: post #231
nielsbot wrote: post #206

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I blame the rules that let this happen. In general, people are gonna people.

This is entirely too cynical and pessimistic. In particular others have pointed out that other countries do not do this, and it’s not like they aren’t people.

I disagree--those other countries operate under different rules. Power does corrupt.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Post by [deleted] »

jjcon wrote: post #172
thebigman433 wrote: post #169

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This is so important and I think a lot of people miss it. The "left" that has power in the US (establishment dems) barely qualify as being left at all. They are very much invested in protecting power and wealth. The only "left" that would push against the rentiers are people who will almost never see power. However, I wouldnt say AOC winning is a "fluke". Its definitely the exception, but progressives have been able…

> The "left" that has power in the US (establishment dems) barely qualify as being left at all So when the left does something you dont like, they must not be left? Smells of no true scottsman to me.

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Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

oblio wrote: post #182
refurb wrote: post #179

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You realized you just dismissed GDP per capita, a quantitative metric, as too “flawed”, then instead relied on HDI which entirely a made up metric based on subjective measures?

Yes, because money isn't everything. I know (you seem to be American) that this is probably a strange concept :-p And HDI is still quantitative, it's still a number: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index#New_me... You might not like the magic numbers in the formula or the things they choose to weigh, but GDP is much, much too coarse to evaluate anything about the greater well-being of a population, es…

>Yes, because money isn't everything.

That's the exact same argument people in net tax recipient states use for reducing federal taxation even when it hurts them slightly.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Post by croon »

nielsbot wrote: post #282
isleyaardvark wrote: post #231

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This is entirely too cynical and pessimistic. In particular others have pointed out that other countries do not do this, and it’s not like they aren’t people.

I disagree--those other countries operate under different rules. Power does corrupt.

Different rules that those people set up. Power can't be created or destroyed, it can only converted from one form to another.

I'd much rather power reside with people and what they can vote for, rather than let it all fall to mega-corps.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Post by bogota »

nightski wrote: post #27
bogota wrote: post #10

I hate wasting at least a day if not more of my life every year filing. As time goes on and i have more assets the time to file goes up as well and gathering all the required documents with every bank having different timelines is a nightmare. But what can I do about it? I would imagine if it went to a vote overwhelmingly people would say no I don’t want to file like this every year. But here we are and honestly I do…

If you have all these assets and your time is valuable I imagine you can cough up a few $ to pay a local tax accountant. I do this for my single member company, it costs $150 each year. Very worth it and a small price to pay. They even do a quick review of my books. At this point I am familiar enough with all the forms that I could probably do it myself in less than an hour. But I don't mind supporting the accountant…

I still have to collect all the documents and give them to the person. The time to file once i gather everything is negligible and unless i have a very complex year i just do it myself.

Just paying someone to do stuff doesn’t solve everything unless you are some level of rich I don’t understand where someone has access to all your accounts and does it for you.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Post by merrywhether »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #134
merrywhether wrote: post #72

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Are you really arguing that corporatocracy is a progressive form of governance? Or do you just believe that companies leeching off society via regulatory capture is better for everyone?

>Are you really arguing that corporatocracy is a progressive form of governance? He made a one sentence comment about CA's policies being ineffective. He made no endorsement of anything or comparison to alternatives. If you're going to build a straw-man be more subtle.

There are a lot of things to complain about with regards to California politics, but trying to help citizens and fight Intuit is pretty unassailable. So either the one-sentence comment was on topic and truly endorsed such corporate strangleholds, or it was in bad faith and simply trotting out their general axe-to-grind about California at the mere mention. I don’t think there’s much sympathy for either interpretation with regard to advancing discussion of the article.

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Post by tekknik »

ulfw wrote: post #174
mmmBacon wrote: post #167

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This isn’t the fault of the IRS. The IRS can only do what Congress allows them to do. It’s the fault of Congress. In fact the 2 key Congresswomen responsible are Zoe Lofgren and Anna Eshoo. I currently live in Eshoo’s district but I can tell you she is completely unresponsive to you if you don’t live in Atherton or Palo Alto. I have never seen her campaign once. Her district is sprawling and includes 3 counties in th…

Geez. She is still there? I remember writing her 16 years ago when I was at Stanford and had an issue. Of course neither she (nor her office) ever bothered to respond. Wow.

Nice Stanford name drop.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Post by tekknik »

jandrese wrote: post #211
tromp wrote: post #106

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Why assign all the blame to Intuit? > They persuaded the Internal Revenue Service for more than a decade to pledge in writing not to adopt California’s innovation or develop any other offerings that threatened their business model. I think the IRS deserves much of the blame for yielding to Intuit's persuasion. Every American should be upset with both Intuit and the IRS.

There is a strong contingent in Congress that believes that it is only moral for it to be annoying and expensive to pay taxes, as they believe that taxes should be opposed by the masses. If taxes are too easy then people won't think about them, and will simply enjoy the services the government provides with them, which is tyranny. This is also why the US keeps sales tax separate instead of rolling it into the price o…

> If taxes are too easy then people won't think about them, and will simply enjoy the services the government provides with them, which is tyranny.

Nope. More like we don’t want the gov to have their hands directly into our pocketbooks. The left are the ones that want more taxes and this auto income tax feature. The right wants less taxes. Understand people want different things and quit trying to force people your way. A great many people do not want the gov in their personal business.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Post by tekknik »

slg wrote: post #198
tromp wrote: post #106

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Why assign all the blame to Intuit? > They persuaded the Internal Revenue Service for more than a decade to pledge in writing not to adopt California’s innovation or develop any other offerings that threatened their business model. I think the IRS deserves much of the blame for yielding to Intuit's persuasion. Every American should be upset with both Intuit and the IRS.

Intuit is lobbying in defense of their entire industry. Almost every company of their size would do the same thing in their situation. The people who deserve the blame here are the people who are susceptible to those lobbying efforts. Blame Congress.

Why don’t we blame the intuit employees while we’re at it? If they had no employees then they wouldn’t be in business? So does this mean it’s actually the citizens fault?
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