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California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Post by rmah »

bogota wrote: post #10

I hate wasting at least a day if not more of my life every year filing. As time goes on and i have more assets the time to file goes up as well and gathering all the required documents with every bank having different timelines is a nightmare. But what can I do about it? I would imagine if it went to a vote overwhelmingly people would say no I don’t want to file like this every year. But here we are and honestly I do…

If you have to spend hours doing your taxes, no gov run filing system is gonna help you reduce that. All these "I don't have to do anything to pay my taxes" things are essentially for wage earners taking standard deductions, minimal interest, minimal dividends, no mortgage, etc. And if you were in that situation, filing your IRS taxes would take 10 minutes, if that.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Post by oblio »

refurb wrote: post #179
oblio wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDP is, unfortunately, a flawed metric. Or at least an incomplete one. I greatly doubt the average German, Belgian, Japanese, etc. would want to live in Alabama :-) Edit: Another flawed metric, but probably closer to the truth, tells a slightly different story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ... Alabama has roughly the same HDI as Cyprus. Cyprus is a nice place, but it's quite a bit behin…

You realized you just dismissed GDP per capita, a quantitative metric, as too “flawed”, then instead relied on HDI which entirely a made up metric based on subjective measures?

Yes, because money isn't everything. I know (you seem to be American) that this is probably a strange concept :-p

And HDI is still quantitative, it's still a number: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index#New_me...

You might not like the magic numbers in the formula or the things they choose to weigh, but GDP is much, much too coarse to evaluate anything about the greater well-being of a population, especially in developed countries.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Post by charwalker »

ZoomerCretin wrote: post #175
landemva wrote: post #150

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The federal system in regards to lobbying would change if we followed the constitution as written to allow House of Representatives to grow with census population count. And restore the not direct election of Senators. Then remove federal personal income tax. For icing on the cake, shut down the 3rd central bank known as 'Federal Reserve'. This would require a nationwide general strike to show the people are serious.…

>The federal system in regards to lobbying would change if we followed the constitution as written to allow House of Representatives to grow with census population count. Sounds good. >And restore the not direct election of Senators. Then remove federal personal income tax. For icing on the cake, shut down the 3rd central bank known as 'Federal Reserve'. I’m curious to know how any of these policies would be benefici…

Yeah, that's an odd set of policies to support.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Post by charwalker »

nightski wrote: post #44
elmerfud wrote: post #24

California tried to save the country from gasoline cars, then Ford and Chrysler stepped in and ended up bankrupting General Motors. This is a common theme with big businesses. Instead of complying with "make people's life easier" initiatives they just pay off the politicians.

Or maybe it's a common theme with California's draconian politics being ineffective.

This seems like an odd take given their progressive policy making an standard setting over the last 50 years ex automobile MPG. What policies are you referring to?

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

teekert wrote: post #104

The US is such a stressful country, tax filing, healthcare, none of these basic things just work. Add to that the lawyers culture and you get a good basis for emotion filled Netflix dramas, but not really for real life.

There are actually less lawsuits per capita in the US than in most OECD nations. The "lawyers culture" is a false idea created, it seems, by popular media (films, TV, etc.)

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Post by charwalker »

golemotron wrote: post #54
nightski wrote: post #44

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Or maybe it's a common theme with California's draconian politics being ineffective.

The nation is pretty tired of California and NY trying to save it.

The nation is pretty tired of people rejecting reality like this.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Post by bee_rider »

wincy wrote: post #94
bogota wrote: post #10

I hate wasting at least a day if not more of my life every year filing. As time goes on and i have more assets the time to file goes up as well and gathering all the required documents with every bank having different timelines is a nightmare. But what can I do about it? I would imagine if it went to a vote overwhelmingly people would say no I don’t want to file like this every year. But here we are and honestly I do…

You could be like me and not file it until the sheriff shows up at your door saying you owe money and that you have a month to pay. (Don’t be like me)

If only there weren't large penalties involved in doing this.

And hey, if we want progressive taxation -- "is it really worth it for them to send somebody down to bring me the bill" is a great filter that everybody's taxes should be passed through.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Post by lern_too_spel »

mmmBacon wrote: post #167
tromp wrote: post #106

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Why assign all the blame to Intuit? > They persuaded the Internal Revenue Service for more than a decade to pledge in writing not to adopt California’s innovation or develop any other offerings that threatened their business model. I think the IRS deserves much of the blame for yielding to Intuit's persuasion. Every American should be upset with both Intuit and the IRS.

This isn’t the fault of the IRS. The IRS can only do what Congress allows them to do. It’s the fault of Congress. In fact the 2 key Congresswomen responsible are Zoe Lofgren and Anna Eshoo. I currently live in Eshoo’s district but I can tell you she is completely unresponsive to you if you don’t live in Atherton or Palo Alto. I have never seen her campaign once. Her district is sprawling and includes 3 counties in th…

Eshoo should be voted out. https://eshoo.house.gov/media/press-releases/rep-eshoo-intro...

Unfortunately, editorials favor incumbents too much to allow an attack from the left to succeed. https://www.stanforddaily.com/2020/03/01/why-we-endorse-incu... and https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/10/28/editorial-eshoo/

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Post by brighton36 »

junon wrote: post #3

Intuit is such an evil company. Now that I've moved to Germany, I know what it feels like not to have to file every year (I still have to for the US but it's trivial now due to FIEC). There's nobody hounding you here, no stress regarding your taxes unless you're filing for a return or have extenuating circumstances, and even then there's a government-provided online portal for direct communication with the Finanzamt…

I don't blame intuit at all. I blame citizens for losing their representation in government.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Post by throw_nbvc1234 »

jjcon wrote: post #172
thebigman433 wrote: post #169

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This is so important and I think a lot of people miss it. The "left" that has power in the US (establishment dems) barely qualify as being left at all. They are very much invested in protecting power and wealth. The only "left" that would push against the rentiers are people who will almost never see power. However, I wouldnt say AOC winning is a "fluke". Its definitely the exception, but progressives have been able…

> The "left" that has power in the US (establishment dems) barely qualify as being left at all So when the left does something you dont like, they must not be left? Smells of no true scottsman to me.

It's almost like politics isn't as binary as left or right; at least when you get down to the fundamentals and not the media's portrayal of things.
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