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Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip

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Post by cultofmetatron »

tdrdt wrote: post #78
forgotmyoldname wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Macs are a small market, but Apple definitely sets trends. Once they adopt a technology, people "know" it works and it's safe to switch. If servers can run on cheap ARM hardware that uses less electricity and runs far cooler without much of a performance difference, that's a massive improvement. Electricity savings would more than justify a switch. Apple has shown that it's possible at the desktop/laptop level. Now t…

You are giving too much praise to Apple. They never set trends in the datacenter world. Arm servers have been sold for some years now. AWS, Oracle and others already made the switch. And the fastest super computer (Fugaku, Japan) uses ARM.

I'm building server software for my startup. My development environment is a linux docker container running on a linux vm running on an x86 mac. Its running the same binary as the docker container running in kubernetes on an x86 aws server.

The fact that apple is making arm mainstream means if I switch to arm, so are a lot of others working to make the arm port of my stack a first class consideration.

Suddenly the gavatron cores aws has are becoming a whole lot more viable. I personally plan to move our api instances over to them once the erlang vm's arm port matures a bit.

Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip

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Post by zeckalpha »

anthk wrote: post #134
zeckalpha wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MessagePad

Irrelevant, Palm did it better. No one got a Newton, but every mid-boss or manager got a Palm.

But Palm didn’t drive the CPU direction of the industry as GP claimed.

Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip

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Post by anthk »

zeckalpha wrote: post #142
anthk wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Irrelevant, Palm did it better. No one got a Newton, but every mid-boss or manager got a Palm.

But Palm didn’t drive the CPU direction of the industry as GP claimed.

Neither did the Newton.

Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip

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Post by smackeyacky »

MisterTea wrote: post #139
smackeyacky wrote: post #85

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In CPU choices, when Apple have lead (PowerPC) nobody followed. Their other CPU choices have hardly been brave. 6502? Not the first. 680x0? Followers. Intel they were way behind and all their laptop and desktop gear was a generation behind everything other companies were using. Phones bit of a mixed bag but their computing gear has always been a bit old hat since the 1980s. The M1 is the first time since PowerPC they…

> In CPU choices, when Apple have lead (PowerPC) nobody followed. PowerPC was developed by IBM. Apple got involved when Motorola could not deliver a faster 68k to beat Intel's 486 which was passing 50MHz. So they joined IBM along with Motorola and formed the AIM alliance (Apple, IBM, Motorola) to build better processors. > The M1 is the first time since PowerPC they took a risk. There's little to no risc (buh-dum-tis…

They need to steer it so it can address more than 32Gb of memory. On any particular day I can chew that up with a couple of fat VMs running legacy stuff that customers still need supported but I don't want a physical machine hanging around to work on.

Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip

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Post by fomine3 »

marcodiego wrote: post #94
maxpert wrote: post #5

Intel is gonna be in deep trouble in couple of years. They are the PowerPC of modern era. IDK what held them back from reimagining the architecture for less power hungry processors and tooling. With Mac mainstream switching to ARM and Microsoft doing something similar, I think within next 5 - 10 years ARM is gonna take over Intel architecture in general.

Apple is using their own cores, Google is using thei own cores, Amazon is using their own cores, I bet Microsoft is next... Eventually these new chips will hit the desktop and then we'll see the x86 start to sink.

I don't know Google/Amazon's own CPU cores, but know chips.

Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip

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Post by brucehoult »

smackeyacky wrote: post #144
MisterTea wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In CPU choices, when Apple have lead (PowerPC) nobody followed. PowerPC was developed by IBM. Apple got involved when Motorola could not deliver a faster 68k to beat Intel's 486 which was passing 50MHz. So they joined IBM along with Motorola and formed the AIM alliance (Apple, IBM, Motorola) to build better processors. > The M1 is the first time since PowerPC they took a risk. There's little to no risc (buh-dum-tis…

They need to steer it so it can address more than 32Gb of memory. On any particular day I can chew that up with a couple of fat VMs running legacy stuff that customers still need supported but I don't want a physical machine hanging around to work on.

You can order a MacBook Pro with M1 Max with 64 GB of RAM right now.

Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip

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Post by brucehoult »

smackeyacky wrote: post #85
forgotmyoldname wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Macs are a small market, but Apple definitely sets trends. Once they adopt a technology, people "know" it works and it's safe to switch. If servers can run on cheap ARM hardware that uses less electricity and runs far cooler without much of a performance difference, that's a massive improvement. Electricity savings would more than justify a switch. Apple has shown that it's possible at the desktop/laptop level. Now t…

In CPU choices, when Apple have lead (PowerPC) nobody followed. Their other CPU choices have hardly been brave. 6502? Not the first. 680x0? Followers. Intel they were way behind and all their laptop and desktop gear was a generation behind everything other companies were using. Phones bit of a mixed bag but their computing gear has always been a bit old hat since the 1980s. The M1 is the first time since PowerPC they…

Apple not the first with 6502?

The 6502 was introduced at Wescon in September 1975.

Apple I was out in April 1976. That's seven months.

The KIM1, a board made by MOS to demonstrate their 6502 chip, was also released in April 1976. Even they didn't beat Apple to it.

Commodore Pet was December 1977. Rockwell AIM65 was 1978. Acorn System 1 was March 1979. Atari 400 was November 1979

In short: I don't know what the heck you're talking about.

Similarly, the Lisa was a very early 68000 machine. The Amiga and Atari ST were years after the Lisa and Mac. Only very expensive workstations from HP, Apollo and Sun were before the Apple Lisa.

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Post by adminscoffee »

maxpert wrote: post #5

Intel is gonna be in deep trouble in couple of years. They are the PowerPC of modern era. IDK what held them back from reimagining the architecture for less power hungry processors and tooling. With Mac mainstream switching to ARM and Microsoft doing something similar, I think within next 5 - 10 years ARM is gonna take over Intel architecture in general.

didn't intel have a huge hack where their secret processor data was leaked out? i wouldn't be surprised if all these new chips got inspired by that

Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

fullstop wrote: post #125
forgotmyoldname wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Macs are a small market, but Apple definitely sets trends. Once they adopt a technology, people "know" it works and it's safe to switch. If servers can run on cheap ARM hardware that uses less electricity and runs far cooler without much of a performance difference, that's a massive improvement. Electricity savings would more than justify a switch. Apple has shown that it's possible at the desktop/laptop level. Now t…

> Once they adopt a technology, people "know" it works and it's safe to switch. Not always. Firewire, for example.

Afaik it flies in figher jets, experimental military UAVs and also civil satellites. Just not so common in consumer tech anymore.

Besides that it's fun to debug with on older systems, or even new ones if they have it. If not it can be plugged in from anything between 30 to 50 universal credit units from 1 to 4 port Firewire800 as PCIe 1x to 4x. It's fun to have in a homelab. You can even tunnel IP over it.

Re: Alibaba Open Source XuanTie RISC-V Cores, Introduces In-House Armv9 Server Chip

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Post by mhh__ »

raverbashing wrote: post #109
easygenes wrote: post #21

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Macs are still a relatively small (but profitable) chunk of the computing world. The ground Intel has lost in desktop and mobile is more than made up for by their utter dominance in server. Intel also has a lot of plays that should bear fruit in holding or retaking ground on consumer compute in the next few years: 1) Arc GPUs. Looks like they will be seriously disruptive. 2) Hedging their process node bets by using T…

> 1) Arc GPUs I've been hearing the same story for 10+ yrs on how Intel is going to disrupt the GPU market any day now. For real. Remember Larrabee? It's not going to happen. Intel is not good at disruption. They're good at several things. But not disruption.

Arc is way more conventional than Larrabee though.

All they have to do is bring these to market without bugs and they'll sell like hotcakes.

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