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Hardened wood as a renewable alternative to steel and plastic

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Re: Hardened wood as a renewable alternative to steel and plastic

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Usually 'hardened wood' is just wood where the air has been replaced with epoxy. The problem is epoxy is expensive and not different enough from a pure plastic.

I think what you're describing is more often referred to as "stabilized wood", and doesn't involve the "densification" process as described by the infographic. I'm not willing to pay for the article to read it, but it seems like this is pretty different from epoxy stabilized wood (which isn't particularly hard).

Stabilized wood is essentially as hard as whatever it's stabilized with. But yeah, the interesting concept is the densification. I dunno about replacing steel, but if soft fast growing woods can be converted into something closer to a hardwood, and the volume lost and extra time still puts it out ahead, that is pretty exciting.

Re: Hardened wood as a renewable alternative to steel and plastic

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Wood is renewable when you can grow it, cut it up into useful shapes, then at the end of its useful life, compost it. As soon as you add a shit load of processing and plastic and other stuff it's not "wood" anymore than gasoline is a dead dinosaur. As for things like plywood that use glue for the laminations...glue is the most expensive and important part of the product. Not the wood so much. Replacing steel? I don't…

It doesn't last so long in construction, rebar in concrete has like a 75 year lifespan no?

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Re: Hardened wood as a renewable alternative to steel and plastic

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Wood is renewable when you can grow it, cut it up into useful shapes, then at the end of its useful life, compost it. As soon as you add a shit load of processing and plastic and other stuff it's not "wood" anymore than gasoline is a dead dinosaur. As for things like plywood that use glue for the laminations...glue is the most expensive and important part of the product. Not the wood so much. Replacing steel? I don't…

Not to mention all that carbon released when the wood decomposes - no ?

No, not all carbon is released as gas during decomposition. If it were, we wouldn’t have diamonds :)

Re: Hardened wood as a renewable alternative to steel and plastic

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https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-01600-6

I think this is an article describing the same process, with more detail than the abstract above. A quick ctrl+f lists Teng Li's name in both so probably the same research group. (Originally found on /. several years back)

Re: Hardened wood as a renewable alternative to steel and plastic

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Wood is renewable when you can grow it, cut it up into useful shapes, then at the end of its useful life, compost it. As soon as you add a shit load of processing and plastic and other stuff it's not "wood" anymore than gasoline is a dead dinosaur. As for things like plywood that use glue for the laminations...glue is the most expensive and important part of the product. Not the wood so much. Replacing steel? I don't…

Steel is amazing - and as a result we use it in all kinds of places where its properties aren't fully utilized. Aluminum has been growing into that role of "steel alternative", but there's still room for other alternatives.

Yep I was really pleased to see that ikea has started offering cheap galvanized steel shelves (named “Hyllis”). Glad to have something fully recyclable.

Re: Hardened wood as a renewable alternative to steel and plastic

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Am I the only person who is irritated by the misuse of the phrase "23-fold", which really means multiplied by 2^23, not multiplied by 23?

No, 23-fold means "multiplied by 23" - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fold#:~:text=mult...

Re: Hardened wood as a renewable alternative to steel and plastic

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Whenever I hear about renewable trees I cant help but think how policy failures often lead to more and more forests being destroyed.

Perhaps it would be better if we stop over commodifying trees in general and try to reduce our reliance on them and hopefully partitioning them off from the economy could encourage regrowth

Re: Hardened wood as a renewable alternative to steel and plastic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A general note: in a world of super cheap solar or wind, energy efficiency doesn't matter as much. It's cheap because In many instances, the end product is the "battery". A desalination plant can be run when the sun is out and the end product (clean water) can be stored and used. In this instance, the hardening step stores energy in the final product. Just run that step at the right time.

This kind of thinking is why cryptocurrency miners are setting up shop at substations. They get severely discounted electricity from the utilities, in exchange for ramping up and down their servers to keep the grid load balanced. Except, of course, cryptocurrency isn't nearly as useful as, say, desalinated water.

> Except, of course, cryptocurrency isn't nearly as useful as, say, desalinated water.

I'd like to expand on this a bit.

The major problem with cryptocurrency is that the value of a typical coin seems to be ~ the cost of electricity needed to mine one.

This means that a crypto miner turns $1 of energy into ~$1 of wealth.

As far as business plans go, this is an absolutely horrific use of energy. Nearly no other business produces so little wealth, for such a high energy input.

The economy in general, by the way, turns $1 of energy into ~$17 of wealth. [1]

[1] https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=36754#:~:tex....

Re: Hardened wood as a renewable alternative to steel and plastic

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Of course I cannot access the full text article, but the claim that this HW can be sharpened and become "3 times sharper" than "most commercial table knives" sounds not very scientific.

Sharpness can be quantified, and most table cutlery is probably made from 420 stainless steel. Not a particularly great steel, but very common.
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