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Western Maryland asks West Virginia to 'consider adding us' to their state

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Re: Western Maryland asks West Virginia to 'consider adding us' to their state

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Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution: “The legislature, in cooperation with the properly constituted authority of any adjoining state, is empowered to change, alter, and redefine the state boundaries, such change, alteration and redefinition to become effective only upon approval of the Congress of the United States.” Essentially they’d need approval from WV, MD, and an act of Congress. Highly unlikely. This issu…

Yet people regularly try to push these ideas, from the earliest days of the Union when part of New Hampshire wanted to secede and join Vermont or form a new state in the Connecticut River valley ( https://www.flowofhistory.org/the-rebellion-in-western-new-h... ) More recently, there was that expensive California idea pushed by Tim Draper, as well as a new country in the Pacific Northwest including parts of Canada and…

The Cal 3 proposal actually made some sense as it would have given the people living there more representation in congress in the form of 4 new senators, as well as more local control. You would think that there would be broad support for the proposal considering a lot of people in these large left-leaning states often complain that their vote is not "worth as much" as a vote in a less populated state.

Re: Western Maryland asks West Virginia to 'consider adding us' to their state

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I am not sure I understand the goals here. Gerrymandering 2.0? WV lost a seat in the 2020 census. Would move seats from Maryland to WV. From Blue to Red. I like to idea just to square off WV's eastern panhandle. It would look nice on a map with a flat top.

My assumption is that some rural Marylanders want to live in a red state without having to move.

Re: Western Maryland asks West Virginia to 'consider adding us' to their state

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Tangential, but instead of making DC into a new state, why not just absorb it into Maryland? Virginia already absorbed the part of DC rhombus west of the Potomac.

DC doesn't want to be part of Maryland (they like being independent and feel that Maryland's concerns are not theirs) and Maryland doesn't want DC (they feel it would move the centre of gravity of the state even further towards the DC suburbs, making it worse for the further-flung parts of the state). National Democrats would also like two more Senate seats (and both DC and Maryland are predominantly Democratic, DC a…

By these arguments nearly every sizable city in the country should be its own state.

>DC doesn't want to be part of Maryland (they like being independent and feel that Maryland's concerns are not theirs) and Maryland doesn't want DC (they feel it would move the centre of gravity of the state even further towards the DC suburbs, making it worse for the further-flung parts of the state).

Re: Western Maryland asks West Virginia to 'consider adding us' to their state

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet people regularly try to push these ideas, from the earliest days of the Union when part of New Hampshire wanted to secede and join Vermont or form a new state in the Connecticut River valley ( https://www.flowofhistory.org/the-rebellion-in-western-new-h... ) More recently, there was that expensive California idea pushed by Tim Draper, as well as a new country in the Pacific Northwest including parts of Canada and…

The Cal 3 proposal actually made some sense as it would have given the people living there more representation in congress in the form of 4 new senators, as well as more local control. You would think that there would be broad support for the proposal considering a lot of people in these large left-leaning states often complain that their vote is not "worth as much" as a vote in a less populated state.

Nobody on either side liked the Cal3 proposal because it just turns one California into three Illinois.

You'd still have major urban areas mostly controlling each state but fighting the rest of the state every step of the way. It works from a "keep the number of red and blue senators" fairly constant perspective but it doesn't actually solve anybody's complaints about lack of self-government.

Re: Western Maryland asks West Virginia to 'consider adding us' to their state

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Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution: “The legislature, in cooperation with the properly constituted authority of any adjoining state, is empowered to change, alter, and redefine the state boundaries, such change, alteration and redefinition to become effective only upon approval of the Congress of the United States.” Essentially they’d need approval from WV, MD, and an act of Congress. Highly unlikely. This issu…

I could see Congress going along with this in exchange for DC statehood. But, while we're talking about things that won't ever happen, we should also combine the Dakotas into one state. Lot of government administrative resources wasted for very few people actually living there. And we're paying for four senators, where two is way more than necessary to represent that population.

Very convenient proposal for eliminating 2 red state senators, I see.

Re: Western Maryland asks West Virginia to 'consider adding us' to their state

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet people regularly try to push these ideas, from the earliest days of the Union when part of New Hampshire wanted to secede and join Vermont or form a new state in the Connecticut River valley ( https://www.flowofhistory.org/the-rebellion-in-western-new-h... ) More recently, there was that expensive California idea pushed by Tim Draper, as well as a new country in the Pacific Northwest including parts of Canada and…

or when part of Massachusetts did spin off and become Maine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Maine

Massachusetts claim to Maine in the first place was opportunistic and tenuous to begin with whereas the borders of WV and MD (or many of the other states people want to rearrange) have been where they are now for 100+yr.

Re: Western Maryland asks West Virginia to 'consider adding us' to their state

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I am not sure I understand the goals here. Gerrymandering 2.0? WV lost a seat in the 2020 census. Would move seats from Maryland to WV. From Blue to Red. I like to idea just to square off WV's eastern panhandle. It would look nice on a map with a flat top.

I would have guessed the seat in western MD is already Red, but it turns out that it's grouped in with Potomac and is D+8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland%27s_congressional_dis...

Re: Western Maryland asks West Virginia to 'consider adding us' to their state

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Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution: “The legislature, in cooperation with the properly constituted authority of any adjoining state, is empowered to change, alter, and redefine the state boundaries, such change, alteration and redefinition to become effective only upon approval of the Congress of the United States.” Essentially they’d need approval from WV, MD, and an act of Congress. Highly unlikely. This issu…

I could see Congress going along with this in exchange for DC statehood. But, while we're talking about things that won't ever happen, we should also combine the Dakotas into one state. Lot of government administrative resources wasted for very few people actually living there. And we're paying for four senators, where two is way more than necessary to represent that population.

Population of California: 39,656,838*

Population of North + South Dakota: 1,645,198*

Persons per senator in California: 19,828,419

Persons per senator in the Dakotas: 411,300

Getting highly-overrepresented people to give up their overrepresentation is a hard ask.

*latest US Census figures

Re: Western Maryland asks West Virginia to 'consider adding us' to their state

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I am not sure I understand the goals here. Gerrymandering 2.0? WV lost a seat in the 2020 census. Would move seats from Maryland to WV. From Blue to Red. I like to idea just to square off WV's eastern panhandle. It would look nice on a map with a flat top.

My assumption is that some rural Marylanders want to live in a red state without having to move.

That's true with rural minded people everywhere. All of them dislike their nearby major city and paint it with the same brush, the same exact talking points whether they are describing Los Angeles or Atlanta, even if they visit once in a blue moon to drive to a baseball game. I think people might be surprised how conservative the rural areas of states are that are commonly considered deep blue politically.

Re: Western Maryland asks West Virginia to 'consider adding us' to their state

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Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution: “The legislature, in cooperation with the properly constituted authority of any adjoining state, is empowered to change, alter, and redefine the state boundaries, such change, alteration and redefinition to become effective only upon approval of the Congress of the United States.” Essentially they’d need approval from WV, MD, and an act of Congress. Highly unlikely. This issu…

Yet people regularly try to push these ideas, from the earliest days of the Union when part of New Hampshire wanted to secede and join Vermont or form a new state in the Connecticut River valley ( https://www.flowofhistory.org/the-rebellion-in-western-new-h... ) More recently, there was that expensive California idea pushed by Tim Draper, as well as a new country in the Pacific Northwest including parts of Canada and…

Killington (located pretty much dead center in VT) has been trying to seceede into New Hampshire recently[1] - so these sorts of border flipping movements aren't as rare as you might assume. It was doing this, of course, purely for tax reasons because the town is mostly composed of several large corporations.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killington,_Vermont_secession_...

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