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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by dang »

totalfaggot wrote: post #316
hluska wrote: post #256

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Three things: 1.) This is an attack against a type of security researcher. Attacks against researchers are always anti-science. 2.) You’ve admitted to feeling alienated by truth. You might want to think that over and ask yourself some questions. That’s genuinely sad. 3.) If the truth genuinely alienates you, I don’t care about you or your feelings.

FAGGOT! FAGGOT! FAGGOT! FAGGOT! FAGGOT! FAGGOT! FAGGOT! FAGGOT! FAGGOT! FAGGOT! FAGGOT! FAGGOT!

I realize you don't want to follow the site guidelines, but it's also not in your self-interest to post like this. The effect you're having is to drive people further away from whatever you believe is true. That weakens you.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

ArchOversight wrote: post #283
q1w2 wrote: post #276

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One important fact you might consider is that not all Republicans are the same. ...and that the worst actors held up by the media are not even representative of the average. ...and that moreover, you might consider you are intentionally fed biased information to help reinforce your political stances and hyper-emotional content, because emotional voters are more loyal than thinking voters. Think for yourself. Recogniz…

Too little too late for that. Invoking Godwins law, cause it seems apropos: "As we say in Germany, if there's a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis"

That's not even a proper ad hominem, more like a projection of ad hominem.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by ModernMech »

fallingknife wrote: post #254
ModernMech wrote: post #171

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Many in the tech community turn exclusively to technology to solve every problem. It doesn’t occur to such people that e.g. sociologists, who study problems of society as a discipline, have any answers whatsoever to our problems as a society. To them, sociology is just another useless liberal arts degree without job prospects. In my opinion, if we listened to more socieologists instead of the Zuckerbergs and Bezoses…

But I did listen to sociologists when I took a distribution requirement in college. I'll never do it again. It was 80% totally obvious facts about human behavior that don't need to be taught and 20% totally contrived BS. No science going on there.

So you took 1 intro class into a subject and determined the entire field is worthless? Do you apply this decision-making process to other aspects of your life?

Also, not a lot of actual "science" going on in Computer Science departments (meaning following the scientific method in the course of conducting research, as opposed to "here is a thing I built, isn't it neat?"), but that doesn't stop tech-inclined people from joining in droves. So I'm not sure what the "no science going on" criticism means. It's not like the scientific process is used when deploying technology solutions to problems. We just say "Here's a thing! Let's distribute this to as many people as possible!" without any forethought into what consequences will be.

To that last point, from my recollection of the late aughts, early 10s, it was sociologists who first identified that maybe Facebook and Instagram would be bad for society. Turns out they were right. Again.

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Post by voltaireodactyl »

zepto wrote: post #215
bastardoperator wrote: post #156

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You're making it about sides. Facts are not one sided. If someone speaking truth makes you feel bothered, that's your problem, not theirs. We should be able to speak to one another without getting emotional about which team someone aligns with. Republicans are fostering anti-intellectualism which is (in fact) anti-science. From my perspective you'd be alienating yourself out of spite. This goes for Democrats or any p…

The problem is that democrats are also fostering anti-science anti-intellectualism. Which side is worse is a matter of opinion. Personally I think they are both dangerous and won’t identify myself with either party as a result. The result is that there is no point in leveling this accusation as part of a debate about something substantive, unless you just want to derail the conversation into a meaningless partisan ba…

> Which side is worse is a matter of opinion.

What perspectives do you see coming from the Democrat side that have the same mortality rate as vaccine refusal? (Or are there indicators you give equal/greater significance than mortality?)

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Post by ascendantlogic »

tdhz77 wrote: post #30

When I lived in Missouri 10 years ago it would never have elected such an idiot. A state that brought decent thinking people like Thomas Hart Benton, President Truman, Roy Blunt and Claire McCaskill. There was a saying what goes Missouri so goes the nation.. this will never be true again. Thinking is secondary to outrage in this state. They have been outraged since Obama was elected.

Electing a black president permanently enraged a lot of hateful people across the country. We're going to be dealing with the fallout for a long time. To be clear I'm not saying we shouldn't have, but I think we underestimated just how many people in this country would react very badly to that from a political standpoint.

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Post by api »

ModernMech wrote: post #272
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #186

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>On one side are the computer scientists and engineers who understand the nature of the problem There are a hell of a lot of computer scientists and engineers who vote republican, certainty not a majority but definitely a large enough minority you can't discount them. They just don't broadcast it for reasons that should be obvious to anyone reading these comments.

I don’t know how they vote or if they identify with any parties, but there is a disturbing, very patriarchal strain of neo-feudalism I have encountered in some tech circles — basically the idea that we need to return to a time of lords and serfs. Of course I have found that when pressed, those who hold this philosophy seem to picture themselves as the lords in this fantasy utopia. Maybe these are just power fantasies…

I was really into early hacker and BBS culture in the 90s, and this point of view was rare to nonexistent. There was a lot of teen and young adult angst and egotism but that’s not unusual. It wasn’t ideological and the ideas tended to be either left or libertarian.

I would have called myself a libertarian back then but that was back when words meant things, or at least more than they do now. I stopped using the term when the fascists took it over.

It’s popular in some left leaning circles and particularly among people who did not live through that era to claim that libertarianism and cyberculture was always like this. It wasn’t. There was a mass conversion event around the early 20-teens that sort of coincided with Gamergate (not sure how important GG was but that was the era). I’d say a large proportion of an entire generation of younger “hacker” types were mass converted to fascism or neoreaction. Racism also made a massive comeback.

I still don’t fully understand it. The LessWrong orbit seems to be a major factor. I never found that whole circle particularly interesting, but a lot of people sure did.

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Post by tessierashpool »

_fat_santa wrote: post #296
nrmitchi wrote: post #27

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This situation is keeping his name in the spotlight, and people will, in general, be more likely to vote for names that they recognize. I don't believe that there is any other reason here.

I have a strong feeling this will backfire spectacularly. To any technical or even semi-technical person, the facts of this case are laughable. The Governor thinks that he can steamroll this case through, and is betting that most will not understand the underlying technical details and give into the fear mongering "hacking" narrative. But the thing is, as soon as this goes to court, there is a 100% chance the EFF or…

losing in court will just feed the GOP victim narrative. from a political standpoint, the Governor's ignorant aggression is a win-win. he can say he stood up to the liberal courts and the tech elite.

but then again, Trump often lies about his losses in courts, claims they were wins, and gets applause from his audience. the GOP is a counter-majoritarian party, which makes counterfactual statements inevitable.

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Post by dang »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #227
sillysaurusx wrote: post #99

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Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

Hello, tone argument. Throwing a temper tantrum when someone objectively mentions the ideology of a party - threatening to take your toys out of the sandbox - really doesn't help your case in the "superiority" department. The reason things are so "partisan" is because of the political extremist actions and policies from your party.

You've broken the site guidelines by calling names. Please make your substantive points thoughtfully and without swipes, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are.

Edit: it looks like you've been doing this quite a bit, as well as using HN primarily for political/ideological battle. That's against the guidelines and we ban accounts that do it. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by dang »

aaroninsf wrote: post #304
sillysaurusx wrote: post #99

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Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

"It doesn't matter that you're probably right." You're the problem.

Attacking others like this will get you banned on HN, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

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Post by andrewprock »

vadfa wrote: post #133
otterley wrote: post #69

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I largely agree with the sentiment that we need more plumbers than liberal arts graduates. One answer, though, is "why not be both?" Post-secondary education, regardless of the specific major a student chooses, does provide a significant benefit to society: especially in the early years, it teaches students how to think critically. Perhaps this skill could be taught earlier during secondary education, but at least in…

>especially in the early years, it teaches students how to think critically Is this a thing only in the US? I went to university in Europe and there were 0 subjects that were unrelated to the (STEM) degree I chose. It was all 100% technical stuff.

Yes, most liberal arts programs will have a variety of general education requirements.

For my math degree, I also had requirements in: psychology, philosophy, religion, science, writing, and foreign language.

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