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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by t-writescode » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:55 PM UTC

sophacles wrote: post #275

pugets wrote: post #204

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It's okay for people to vote D on some issues and R on some other issues. That's pretty much an inevitability for any person with diverse views in a two-party system. Besides, at the end of the day, how different are the two sides? One party wants to prosecute a reporter who found a site vulnerability, and the other party wants to prosecute the man who exposed the world to the dragnet surveillance being conducted by…

> and the other party wants to prosecute the man who exposed the world to the dragnet surveillance being conducted by the NSA. I'm pretty sure both parties want that. Any successful system will work to perpetuate itself.

Show me a majority of democratic leaders wanting Ranked Voting, and I have a bridge to sell you, for example.

Democrats and Republican leadership *want* the "good v evil" dichotomy of their party versus the other.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by bush-bby » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

fortyseven wrote: post #267

zepto wrote: post #215

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The problem is that democrats are also fostering anti-science anti-intellectualism. Which side is worse is a matter of opinion. Personally I think they are both dangerous and won’t identify myself with either party as a result. The result is that there is no point in leveling this accusation as part of a debate about something substantive, unless you just want to derail the conversation into a meaningless partisan ba…

We're still doing the "they're two sides of the same coin" thing in 2021, eh?

Group think is a hell of a drug in 2021, eh?

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by agloeregrets » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

walls wrote: post #251

thesagan wrote: post #228

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This divisive rhetoric is what got us here in the first place; a breakdown in civil communication. The blue team mimics the red team in this respect. I wish we could have a more mature dialogue but I wonder if we're past that. Violent communication is normalizing.

You can't have a mature dialog with people who don't believe facts.

This. This is why there is any divisiveness.

If you ignore facts it is impossible for a best solution to arise or for any answer to be accepted so a conversation cannot move on and has no end point, this drives a "You are the problem"/"You are attacking me" feeling.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by _jal » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

q1w2 wrote: post #276

walls wrote: post #251

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You can't have a mature dialog with people who don't believe facts.

One important fact you might consider is that not all Republicans are the same. ...and that the worst actors held up by the media are not even representative of the average. ...and that moreover, you might consider you are intentionally fed biased information to help reinforce your political stances and hyper-emotional content, because emotional voters are more loyal than thinking voters. Think for yourself. Recogniz…

They are supporting politicians who are destroying the country. At some point, ignorance stops being an excuse.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by COGlory » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

walls wrote: post #251

thesagan wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This divisive rhetoric is what got us here in the first place; a breakdown in civil communication. The blue team mimics the red team in this respect. I wish we could have a more mature dialogue but I wonder if we're past that. Violent communication is normalizing.

You can't have a mature dialog with people who don't believe facts.

I'm a structural biologist studying viruses that has voted for many republicans. Do I fit your definition of not believing facts?

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by _fat_santa » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

nrmitchi wrote: post #27

Acutulus wrote: post #7

I find the article title kind of curious, given that it states Parson has "doubled down" which suggests that the video the article references is an active effort on Parson's part. It then goes on to state that the video was produced by a PAC Parson created but doesn't give direct input to. Comes off as unnecessarily inflammatory to me I suppose. Having said that, this situation in particular really tests my willingne…

This situation is keeping his name in the spotlight, and people will, in general, be more likely to vote for names that they recognize. I don't believe that there is any other reason here.

I have a strong feeling this will backfire spectacularly.

To any technical or even semi-technical person, the facts of this case are laughable. The Governor thinks that he can steamroll this case through, and is betting that most will not understand the underlying technical details and give into the fear mongering "hacking" narrative.

But the thing is, as soon as this goes to court, there is a 100% chance the EFF or another organization is going to step in. Once the defense can explain the layperson exactly what happened here, the governor is going to go from "protecting the people from hackers" to "dumbass trying to cover his own ass".

The Governor and his cabinet clearly think they have this one in the bag, but I think the EFF or another org is going to step in and hand his ass to him in court.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by namdnay » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:57 PM UTC

rndgermandude wrote: post #226

teachrdan wrote: post #101

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> barely breaks even in terms of lifetime earnings If you have any evidence to support this, I invite you to post it. Because according to the study below: "Getting a Bachelor's degree adds another large increase in lifetime earnings. With median earnings of $56,700 ($27.26 per hour), or $2.3 million over a lifetime, Bachelor's degree holders earn 31 percent more than workers with an Associate's degree and 74 percent…

A bachelor degree makes $541,000 more in life time earnings than an Associate's degree, according to your source. College costs on average $26K and $52K per year[1] according to my google skills. 4 years of college therefore amounts to roughly $100 to $200K, which in fairness you have to subtract from that initial $541K difference. Still a nice difference. However, the parent poster mentioned plumbers. According to m…

Except that the plumber’s knees and back will be shot before they hit 50.

People forget that “real” work is not kind on the body.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by q1w2 » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:57 PM UTC

walls wrote: post #286

q1w2 wrote: post #276

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One important fact you might consider is that not all Republicans are the same. ...and that the worst actors held up by the media are not even representative of the average. ...and that moreover, you might consider you are intentionally fed biased information to help reinforce your political stances and hyper-emotional content, because emotional voters are more loyal than thinking voters. Think for yourself. Recogniz…

They are, however, completely representative of your elected officials.

Well in the case above - I haven't seen literally any other GOP politician support Gov Parson's effort here.

So again - you are generalizing and stereotyping.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by bgorman » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:58 PM UTC

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

Interesting framing. Democrats seem to have taken “Science” to be a new type of religion. “Trust the science”, has been a catch phrase for the last 18 months.

Science is fundamentally about skepticism, and democratic politicians/the media have commandeered its meaning to push their agenda.

Many Covid-19 policy decisions based on “science” are not actually based on sound science, and it doesn’t seem like democratic politicians have any interest in addressing this.

Here are a few examples of highly questionable policies:

Mask mandates when everyone is vaccinated, school closures, gym closures, exemptions for wearing a mask when eating indoors.

Most worryingly, it seems like academics are scared to publish data that contradicts the mainstream progressive narrative, because they may have their career canceled.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by 300bps » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:58 PM UTC

NationalPark wrote: post #127

sillysaurusx wrote: post #99

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Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

Do you expect people to pretend the trend isn't happening in order to comfort you? What does it say about your own values that they are so loosely held that you'd sacrifice them out of contempt like this?

We don’t live in a binary world where our only two choices are:

1. Respond one single way to events

2. Ignore events

There are lots of ways to express concern that are less alienating.