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Re: Facebook settles federal lawsuit over allegations it favored foreign applicants

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Post by pzh »

justapassenger wrote: post #71
tapatio wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"who's qualified" I suspect the qualifications are different depending on your citizenship.

I've been recruited by different FAANGs, and was also actively recruiting people at them. Your suspicions are wrong. Bar is the same (of course, there will some bias from specific people, but those are one-offs). Even more - hiring H1Bs is harder than hiring a citizen and it's more costly to the company (immigration sucks). If they could, they wouldn't hire H1Bs. Equation is different at sweatshops, where you don't h…

The majority of H-1B employees at FAANG come on L-1 visas first. There’s no direct comparison because they join the company in a different country and a different market. The bar is not the same as the number of open positions in one market vs the other is not the same.

Re: Facebook settles federal lawsuit over allegations it favored foreign applicants

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Post by AlwaysRock »

justapassenger wrote: post #77
AlwaysRock wrote: post #74

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You are over simplifying a bit. Yes it may cost more to hire a H1B due to legal costs but only a small amount more at companies of this size. They have teams of people who handle that. H1B workers are often paid less that citizens. In the long run it is probably cheaper to hire H1B workers even after the legal costs.

> H1B workers are often paid less that citizens At sweatshops. Not at FAANGs.

It is more fair at fang but that isnt 100% true. I see a lot of fang offers and they are often lower.

Re: Facebook settles federal lawsuit over allegations it favored foreign applicants

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Post by verifyitnow »

tmm84 wrote: post #96
jaywalk wrote: post #3

Up to $14.25 million in fines and restitution for defrauding the H-1B program and screwing over US citizens. Facebook won't even blink an eye at that amount. How about barring them from the H-1B program for 5 years? I think that would be a great start.

I agree with this. Facebook made money hiring non-American workers and now they are being fined (I would highly doubt the money made/saved by hiring immigrant workers was invested to offset any "costs"). So, the money they didn't spend/invest on American on workers goes to the US government and not a penny goes towards actually fixing the situation (educating motivated Americans to be good enough to do said jobs for…

facebook didnt make money hiring non-american workers. Non-America workers control hiring at facebook conducting almost all technical interviews and engineering management positions. H1b non-Americans which have profited from the immigration system have a conflict of interest in that they do not want to hire Americans because almost all Americans do not support h1b or immigration. DOJ has a list of all US citizens who applied for jobs at facebook which numbers in the thousands. The idea that Americans are uneducated and unqualified is foreign and leftist propaganda. Leverage over h1bs by the company is correct, but is not what this is about.

Re: Facebook settles federal lawsuit over allegations it favored foreign applicants

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Post by triceratops »

ffggvv wrote: post #89
triceratops wrote: post #23

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You're essentially saying the practice of using referrals in hiring should be ended.

it has nothing to do with referrals. its people who never met eachother but favor each other based on country of origin. such that certain orgs don't speak english at all

> its people who never met eachother but favor each other based on country of origin

First off, citation needed that discrimination based on national origin is widespread. It's illegal and you should blow the whistle if you have actual knowledge of such acts.

Second, "You're looking to hire X? My husband's friends's cousin is looking for an X role. Can I have her contact you?" => is a very common way of getting job interviews no matter what your nationality. If knowledge about the position is only propagated through personal and professional networks, the applicant pool will reflect that.

> such that certain orgs don't speak english at all

Sounds like bad management. If you believe in the free market, these businesses will fail. But I don't think they're breaking any laws, unless they discriminate against candidates that don't know this language (which is, again illegal, and you should report them).

Re: Facebook settles federal lawsuit over allegations it favored foreign applicants

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Post by ffggvv »

triceratops wrote: post #104
ffggvv wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it has nothing to do with referrals. its people who never met eachother but favor each other based on country of origin. such that certain orgs don't speak english at all

> its people who never met eachother but favor each other based on country of origin First off, citation needed that discrimination based on national origin is widespread. It's illegal and you should blow the whistle if you have actual knowledge of such acts. Second, "You're looking to hire X? My husband's friends's cousin is looking for an X role. Can I have her contact you?" => is a very common way of getting job i…

no one really wants to upturn their entire life for a discrimination lawsuit for a practice that doesn’t even effect them. if you’ve worked at any fang orlarge tech company you’ve seen it. But it doesn’t affect you really if you’re not on one of the teams.

and some of it may not even be explicit discrimination but self sorting. If i’m interviewing with multiple teams am i really going to join the one whose primary communication mechanism is in chinese/hindi and i’m the only american there? or choose the americanized team

Re: Facebook settles federal lawsuit over allegations it favored foreign applicants

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Post by [deleted] »

ffggvv wrote: post #105
triceratops wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> its people who never met eachother but favor each other based on country of origin First off, citation needed that discrimination based on national origin is widespread. It's illegal and you should blow the whistle if you have actual knowledge of such acts. Second, "You're looking to hire X? My husband's friends's cousin is looking for an X role. Can I have her contact you?" => is a very common way of getting job i…

no one really wants to upturn their entire life for a discrimination lawsuit for a practice that doesn’t even effect them. if you’ve worked at any fang orlarge tech company you’ve seen it. But it doesn’t affect you really if you’re not on one of the teams. and some of it may not even be explicit discrimination but self sorting. If i’m interviewing with multiple teams am i really going to join the one whose primary co…

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Re: Facebook settles federal lawsuit over allegations it favored foreign applicants

#107

Post by Breza »

jimbob45 wrote: post #40
SteveGerencser wrote: post #15

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Agreed. If the NCAA catches you buying dinner for a college athlete you can lose a number of scholarships for several years. Why wouldn't these violation of H1Bs come along with a fine and a loss of H1B access for x number of years? That would go a long way toward solving the problem.

Say what you will about the NCAA but they do a good job ensuring a level playing field for all college athletes (despite being Nazis while doing it). It's no fun hearing about poor athletes struggling to eat at college but, at the very least, the Manziels and the Gurleys of the US are held to an identical standard and that counts for something.

When the students working at concession stand at a football game are paid while the players aren't, it's not a fair system. So many students get paid for what they do in conjunction with their studies. If a third string swimmer teaches lessons on weekends, nobody stops him from getting paid. The rules only seem to apply to top athletes.
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