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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by ugh123 » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:48 PM UTC

sillysaurusx wrote: post #99

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

He's just calling out whats mentioned in the polls. How is that alienating you?

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by fallingknife » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:48 PM UTC

prions wrote: post #110

anovikov wrote: post #62

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I consider myself a liberal, and i agree with the point that college is net detrimental to society. It makes people waste their best years, teaches them mainly, useless stuff, barely breaks even in terms of lifetime earnings, and makes people bitter because they feel they are not valued by society the way they believe they should. This world needs a lot more new plumbers than new liberal arts majors. It is the societ…

Youre underestimating the value of a college degree. Research like [1] shows that degree holders have significantly more lifetime earnings than high school. You also miss how the democratization of education has benefited our society and helped lift millions out of subsistence lifestyles and class lock-in. "This world needs a lot more new plumbers than new liberal arts majors" This is a completely subjective and poli…

But this doesn't adjust for intelligence. If employers are just using the degree as a proxy for a base level of intelligence (and they really are, also class) then you would see tremendous value by this measure. But really that would be 100% waste, because you could do the same thing in an hour with an IQ test that is currently being done with 4 years of college. The tech industry basically does this now with algorithm problems. Google DGAF if you have a degree if you can memorize a bunch of algorithms.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by rndgermandude » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:49 PM UTC

jcims wrote: post #235

rndgermandude wrote: post #226

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A bachelor degree makes $541,000 more in life time earnings than an Associate's degree, according to your source. College costs on average $26K and $52K per year[1] according to my google skills. 4 years of college therefore amounts to roughly $100 to $200K, which in fairness you have to subtract from that initial $541K difference. Still a nice difference. However, the parent poster mentioned plumbers. According to m…

$120k sitting in a fund earning 5% a year for 30 years will be worth $518k.

Sure, and taking out loans for the $100K - $200K you need for college will also cost you more in the end, once you consider interest.

The thing tho is that people who do not go to college quite often do not have $120K just laying around to invest for 30+ years. In fact a lot of people who go to college (or their parents) do not have that kind of money lying around either.

And let's not forget that the people who do go to college and get that additional $500K can invest that additional $500K as well. Not as a lump sum either, of course.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by xxpor » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:49 PM UTC

pugets wrote: post #204

charonn0 wrote: post #134

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> You're alienating people like me from being on your side. On one side are the computer scientists and engineers who understand the nature of the problem. On the other side are ignorant and/or dishonest actors out to avoid being embarrassed. It's all on you if you pick the wrong one out of loyalty to a political party.

It's okay for people to vote D on some issues and R on some other issues. That's pretty much an inevitability for any person with diverse views in a two-party system. Besides, at the end of the day, how different are the two sides? One party wants to prosecute a reporter who found a site vulnerability, and the other party wants to prosecute the man who exposed the world to the dragnet surveillance being conducted by…

Come on. The two situations are entirely different.

One side is trying to prosecute a journalist who clicked view source and embarrassed an incompetent IT department. There was never any law broken under any remotely plausible legal theory.

The other side is trying to prosecute someone who violated their NDA to not disclose classified info. Now, you might think what he did was a net positive (I certainly do), but on the other hand it is objectively illegal. The DOJ could use their discretion and drop it, but they don't have to.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by rpmisms » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:49 PM UTC

hluska wrote: post #256

sillysaurusx wrote: post #99

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Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

Three things: 1.) This is an attack against a type of security researcher. Attacks against researchers are always anti-science. 2.) You’ve admitted to feeling alienated by truth. You might want to think that over and ask yourself some questions. That’s genuinely sad. 3.) If the truth genuinely alienates you, I don’t care about you or your feelings.

>Attacks against researchers are always anti-science.

that's blatantly untrue. If a researcher is malicious, attacking their person is not anti-science.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:50 PM UTC

This is not a partisan issue.

Politicians, particularly those in higher office, are terrible people because the incentives reward those that lie, cheat and steal to get ahead.

Elected officials are all antiscience and anti-reason on the left, the right, and the center, if the political situation calls for it.

If you can't see that, maybe the problem is elsewhere

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by fortyseven » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:50 PM UTC

zepto wrote: post #215

bastardoperator wrote: post #156

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You're making it about sides. Facts are not one sided. If someone speaking truth makes you feel bothered, that's your problem, not theirs. We should be able to speak to one another without getting emotional about which team someone aligns with. Republicans are fostering anti-intellectualism which is (in fact) anti-science. From my perspective you'd be alienating yourself out of spite. This goes for Democrats or any p…

The problem is that democrats are also fostering anti-science anti-intellectualism. Which side is worse is a matter of opinion. Personally I think they are both dangerous and won’t identify myself with either party as a result. The result is that there is no point in leveling this accusation as part of a debate about something substantive, unless you just want to derail the conversation into a meaningless partisan ba…

We're still doing the "they're two sides of the same coin" thing in 2021, eh?

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Post by mdp2021 » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:50 PM UTC

zz865 wrote: post #67

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

I think college is a good thing, but right now I think its 70% of kids go to college which is a complete waste of time and money for most of them.

Then reform college: you need to increase the chances that make instances like that thing holding office in Missouri incidents of the past. You need to educate people, to help develop the eyes to see and cringe.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by q1w2 » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:50 PM UTC

hackersword wrote: post #184

sillysaurusx wrote: post #99

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Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

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The people who consider themselves "on the fence" aren't enabling the extremists. They are orphaned and alienated by the extremists in all parts of current politics. They aren't the ones trying to storm the capital or burn down federal court houses.

In any grouping of humans, there are bad actors and good actors. Using the bad actors to characterize the entire group, when they're a minority of that population is how you create stereotypes that break-down discourse. Empowering and encouraging the moderates in your opponents camp is is diplomacy 101. Insulting them empowers your enemies.

That's the same logic used to say all young black men are criminals, all young arab men are terrorists, all white farmers are racist, etc...

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by kodah » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:50 PM UTC

woodruffw wrote: post #65

_ktx2 wrote: post #51

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> (if you want evidence of his antipathy to Missouri's cities, look no further than covid vaccine distribution - St. Louis had maybe one single site, but rural areas had more vaccines than they could use. My elderly parents had to drive for hours to get to one of those underused sites because there simply weren't any vaccines to be found in the metro area.) I lived in SoCal at the time and had to do the same thing. I…

> I lived in SoCal at the time and had to do the same thing. I drove about an hour and a half into the desert to get it when my name came up, and I lived in the city of San Diego. The salient difference probably being demand (likely high in SD) versus malicious or apathetic political will.

That would be an incorrect assumption. At the time, we were still using the classification and opt-in system. The local and state governments knew exactly where demand was and wasn't.