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California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Dutchie here, never had an issue with tax returns in my country. You just go to the website, fill it in, done. I don't get the context at all. Is the ELI5: CA wanted to create their own tax return software. Intuit said no, and now they use Intuit or something? Normally I understand context and such, but in this case: isn't it the obvious thing to do? Does the USA not have the back of their citizens? I'm sorry to say…

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Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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post #13

Intuit is the worst kind of company, but anyone who has dealt with the tax authorities in California would probably tell you to take the state's stated intentions with a grain of salt, or 1000. The California FTB would love to tell you how much money it thinks you owe them, have you not question them, and make your life hell if you think they messed up. While it's fair to say that lower-income W2 taxpayers are probab…

> The California FTB would love to tell you how much money it thinks you owe them, have you not question them, and make your life hell if you think they messed up. Isn't this already the case? They know how much they think you owe. The only difference now is if you will out the form differently and they disagree they can also accuse you of intentional defrauding them.

Yes it already does this, in error for many people. Example:

https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/state-taxes/discussion/why...

The FTB and Intuit exist on the same plane of hell.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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post #3

Intuit is such an evil company. Now that I've moved to Germany, I know what it feels like not to have to file every year (I still have to for the US but it's trivial now due to FIEC). There's nobody hounding you here, no stress regarding your taxes unless you're filing for a return or have extenuating circumstances, and even then there's a government-provided online portal for direct communication with the Finanzamt…

HEY! Fellow US ex-pat here in Germany. I do use germantaxes.de which offers a hand-holding experience and all in English but the fact that there's a simple government provided solution is how it should be.

All this hate towards FB and others but we really should be reigning in the likes of Intuit because filing taxes should not cost anything for simple W-2's.

I recall reading that in Japan if you have just wage income it's more or less automatic. Imagine that!

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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post #8

At the risk of being a non-popular opinion, I don't find tax filing to be particularly difficult. Maybe its because my job is to solve pretty hard problems all day. But the average person/family who doesn't itemize have a Sched C, it's quite easy. The thing to understand about filing is that (particularly for W2 wage earners) you're not telling the Government how much you made and how much you owe. They know that alr…

Have you ever had an even minor non-standard issue? Foreign dividend paid in stock rather than cash for example.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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post #8

At the risk of being a non-popular opinion, I don't find tax filing to be particularly difficult. Maybe its because my job is to solve pretty hard problems all day. But the average person/family who doesn't itemize have a Sched C, it's quite easy. The thing to understand about filing is that (particularly for W2 wage earners) you're not telling the Government how much you made and how much you owe. They know that alr…

> They know that already and calculate it. Why waste people's time with this stuff then?

Real talk though, how are they going to know that you bought an energy efficient AC unit for your house that you can deduct off your taxes?

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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post #8

At the risk of being a non-popular opinion, I don't find tax filing to be particularly difficult. Maybe its because my job is to solve pretty hard problems all day. But the average person/family who doesn't itemize have a Sched C, it's quite easy. The thing to understand about filing is that (particularly for W2 wage earners) you're not telling the Government how much you made and how much you owe. They know that alr…

I had one non-“salary” event one year. I spent so long staring at the instructions during filing, failing to get any of the software to work for my case, and at the end of all of it I ended up overpaying a significant amount.

I later (2 years) found out about some tax exemption I qualified for and applied for it. They sent me a refund after I filed an amended return. I miswrote my zip code. The check got sent and returned. No phone call to me or attempt to contact me to my knowledge.

Only after 8 months of waiting did I reach out. Person was real nice and resolved it all real quickly (for which I’m grateful), but still a bit annoying that this was a thing.

Meanwhile in many other countries you have 1 (one) form to fill out if you have to. None of the billions of tax exemptions you have to file for correctly (mainly cuz you don’t have to give tax credits when your social programs are semi-universal) or other headaches.

The filing is annoying and can be error prone. The underlying system is something right out of Brazil (the movie). The sort of bureaucracy that Americans like to imagine infect every socialist nation is totally present in the tax system of the US

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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Dutchie here, never had an issue with tax returns in my country. You just go to the website, fill it in, done. I don't get the context at all. Is the ELI5: CA wanted to create their own tax return software. Intuit said no, and now they use Intuit or something? Normally I understand context and such, but in this case: isn't it the obvious thing to do? Does the USA not have the back of their citizens? I'm sorry to say…

California offers the typical international option: they'll send you your estimated annual taxes, and you just jave to correct them if there's a discrepancy. This was supposed to be the default option for Californian state taxes. Instead, Intuit's army of lobbyists managed to almost get rid of it. It is now an opt in for people that is not advertised or easy to find on the gov website. Intuit's business model is making tax preparation easier. If tax preparation wasn't so deliberately complicated in the US, they would no longer have a viable business model.

Re: California tried to save the nation from tax filing, then Intuit stepped in

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post #8

At the risk of being a non-popular opinion, I don't find tax filing to be particularly difficult. Maybe its because my job is to solve pretty hard problems all day. But the average person/family who doesn't itemize have a Sched C, it's quite easy. The thing to understand about filing is that (particularly for W2 wage earners) you're not telling the Government how much you made and how much you owe. They know that alr…

> I don't find tax filing to be particularly difficult.

That's nice.

You still might care that we collectively waste an enormous amount of time doing it, unnecessarily, for the benefit of Intuit (and some cranks who want people angry about taxes).

If you still don't care, I'll be taking a few hours of your labor per year for my around the house work. It isn't particularly difficult work, no big deal, right?

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