Man I'm really looking forward to this story blowing over so HN can stop being spammed with this flamebait.
Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special
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Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are getting downvoted because you are missing the point so profoundly, that is hard to begin why its wrong. The 'I am not racist I have a black friend' is used for a token acquaintance 'prove' you cannot be racist. There were some really deep points made there, my favourite was (I paraphrase) "i dont need you to understand me, I need you to acknowledge my human experience". Just because Chappelle and others are n…
> You are getting downvoted because If you have an argument to make, make it, but trying to marshal current net voting as evidence of support so that you can make an ad populum argument is kind of dumb, in part because ad populum is a fallacy, in part because there is never any support for your attribution of motive to voting, and also in part because net vote totals are...rather fluid on HN.
I see you got nothing to say so you attack random non points.
Claiming intellectual superiority right after being called out that you make statements on subject you did not bother looking into is actually dumb.
As a matter of fact I did not used actual ad populum rather i pointed out the reason why people downvoted you, I made an argument WHY you were incorrect and not told you that you are wrong because you are downvoted.
Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Christians are not an oppressed minority, in any sense of either word. Nor is the CCP. Both of those parties represent real power, both politically and financially, in this world today.
Thats what you claim. If you talk to many Christians, they 100% believe they are being oppressed and that secularists and Atheists are coming to destroy their faith. Who are you to deny their grievances. As for the CCP, there are plenty that claim that anti-CCP is anti-Chinese racism and has no place on the stage
Paranoia != reality. Just because Christians in the West "100% believe" atheists and secularists are coming to destroy their faith doesn't make it true. Meanwhile this "oppressed group" is slowly but surely making theocracy a reality in the United States.
Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
As is often stated, the freedom of speech is not the freedom of consequences. The disparagement is a direct consequence of his speech. He is no more free from that consequence than your or I would be in similar circumstances.
> As is often stated, the freedom of speech is not the freedom of consequences. The problem with such a trite comment is that is is just as true in North Korea. You are complete Free™ to say what you like about Supreme Leader Grand Marshal Kim Jong-un, but you know - there might be consequences.
It's probably for the best you used a throwaway account to say something so profoundly ignorant. The consequences of which the OP spoke are social consequences, they're not legal consequences. In the United States you can say whatever you want without fear of legal reprisal, however the social consequences can be dire. That is to say, I retain the freedom to think you're an asshole and not associate with you in response to something you said. That's my right.
Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
So, are you saying that people shouldn't be held to the consequences of their actions, because the North Korean government does the same? Pretty sure that's a logical fallacy: Reductio ad absurdum to be specific. And that's on top of the difference between the State and its power lawfully backed by lethal force and society which lacks the same.
> So, are you saying that people shouldn't be held to the consequences of their actions, because the North Korean government does the same? No. No one is saying that. No one has ever said that, because it doesn't make any sense. Of course all actions have consequences. Of course saying something hurtful will cause others to react negatively. No one is contesting this. What people are contesting is that a very small b…
Netflix has agency, no? If Netflix were to take down the Dave Chappelle episode as a result of "caving to the demands of those offended" that is their right, no? I still retain my agency to cancel my Netflix subscription - I could cancel because I was offended by the episode, I could cancel because I was upset that Netflix pulled the episode. I'm really not seeing how anybody's freedoms are being diminished in this case, regardless of the outcome.
Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So, are you saying that people shouldn't be held to the consequences of their actions, because the North Korean government does the same? No. No one is saying that. No one has ever said that, because it doesn't make any sense. Of course all actions have consequences. Of course saying something hurtful will cause others to react negatively. No one is contesting this. What people are contesting is that a very small b…
Netflix has agency, no? If Netflix were to take down the Dave Chappelle episode as a result of "caving to the demands of those offended" that is their right, no? I still retain my agency to cancel my Netflix subscription - I could cancel because I was offended by the episode, I could cancel because I was upset that Netflix pulled the episode. I'm really not seeing how anybody's freedoms are being diminished in this c…
If I held a gun to your head and said "give me your phone or face the consequences," would you claim that me shooting you for not giving me your phone is you "being held accountable"? Because that seems analogous to what is happening to netflix here.
The consequences of them producing this special is that some people are mad. But netflix chose to produce it, and I'm sure they knew full well that some people would get mad. A group of offended people demanding that it be taken down is not a "consequence that must be faced", it's a demand, and netflix not doing so isn't "not being held accountable for their actions."
Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Trans are mentally ill and need to be treated as such, as in they need to seek professional help in accepting biological reality. Encouraging them in their delusions which they will never achieve is only hurting them, not helping.
You are mentally ill and need to treated as such, as in you need to seek professional help in accepting biological reality.
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Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Chapelle has an outdated view of trans issues but doesn’t call for violence, which is Netflix’s line. Chapelle has a logically correct view of trans issues that's up to date. It's probably the view shared by a silent majority but it's politically suicide to even hint at, as he covered in his special. You can rob a pregnant woman at gun point and be considered a saint, but if you hurt a trans person's feelings, you'r…
Trans are mentally ill and need to be treated as such, as in they need to seek professional help in accepting biological reality. Encouraging them in their delusions which they will never achieve is only hurting them, not helping.
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Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special
#89The bit about trans women is unfunny and hurtful and should remain on Netflix. Trans employees should walk out and protest, then decide whether they have the means / network to move on if they don’t want to work there anymore. I don’t think controversial or offensive-to-me content should be removed. But I also don’t think it should go by unremarked. That’s what democracy is, at the ground level. Keep in mind that Net…
>Chapelle has an outdated view of trans issues but doesn’t call for violence, which is Netflix’s line. Chapelle has a logically correct view of trans issues that's up to date. It's probably the view shared by a silent majority but it's politically suicide to even hint at, as he covered in his special. You can rob a pregnant woman at gun point and be considered a saint, but if you hurt a trans person's feelings, you'r…
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Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special
#90Bill Burr said it best: everyone always laughs at the jokes about other groups, but when the jokes are about their group, they can never handle them.
I've never seen this effect with programming jokes or jokes about programmers. Typical reactions I've seen are always "yeah, so true". But this is only one anecdote, I may be in a bubble, so I ask others: have you seen programmers getting offended by jokes about programmers?
That’s because the media hasn’t convinced you that it’s the most important characteristic of your humanity.