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Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by jonathansampson »

paulcarroty wrote: post #232

Well, that's brave move! :) Already tried it several times and can share some experience: * searching 'npm flag xyz' - working fine * searching 'npm error some text' - just bad, a lot of non-relevant stuff. Anyway, it's naive to expect a real Google competitor right now.

Programming and code-related queries are definitely challenging. That being said, when we can improve (and there are definitely many opportunities to do so) we'd appreciate if you clicked the 'Feedback' link at the top of the results, and let us know what was off about the entries returned. Also, consider checking out Fallback Mixing (https://search.brave.com/help/google-fallback) and the Web Discovery Project (https://brave.com/privacy/browser/#web-discovery-project) for more on how we are working to improve Brave Search more efficiently.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by smoldesu »

BrendanEich wrote: post #501
smoldesu wrote: post #407

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Just use Ungoogled Chromium. I'm also the kind of person who's made uneasy by crypto involvement, and Brave's developers have lambasted me in the past for asking why such a ridiculous feature needs to exist in the first place. Oh, and 30% of your Basic Attention Tokens go straight to lining Brendan Eich's wallet. I'll just browse on my own, thank you...

Here it seems you mean I personally get 30% of gross ad revenue (below you seemed to say I got 30% of all BAT; false also). No, the 30% goes to the company, commissions and costs come out of it, and I get nothing directly tied to it. I get a lower-six-figure salary. Smearing me on false information is a bad look. Doing it again would be lying. Knock it off.

Great, the browser that was supposed to take a stand against Google only managed to cave in to their exact monetization scheme. Somehow I'm not surprised by the fact that you have nothing better to do than respond to Hacker News comments.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by skinkestek »

freediver wrote: post #448
hbn wrote: post #388

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I'm not even sure how much manually blocking domains would help remedy the problem with Google results, which is that so much of the top hits are copy-pasted blog spam with very little information, scrambled together (very possibly by a non-human) purely to game SEO. It seems like it's gotten even worse just in the past few months. I'll try to Google something common, like "can you feed X to dogs" and all the results…

What we do (at Kagi Search) to address this problem is use our own index which contains only non-commercial results from the web as well as forum discussions. Thinking behind is that the quality of the content is in inverse proportion to the number of ads/trackers/affiliate links on the site. Our index is still in infancy but the example of it working for the query 'best laptop' can be seen in this screenshot: https:…

> Thinking behind is that the quality of the content is in inverse proportion to the number of ads/trackers/affiliate links on the site.

search.marginalia.nu does this and for the stuff that it can find it works wonderfully.

Getting results on search.marginalia.nu is (borderline) delightful in the best cases. Last month I searched for something along the lines of "dual boot windows linux" and got 3 fantastic results among the top ten - and no blogspam.

If SEO specialists figure out and start to reduce ads, trackers and scripts generally I'll count that as a win too :-)

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by hunterb123 »

skyfaller wrote: post #513
hunterb123 wrote: post #403

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Brave is Chromium with more web features and more privacy and crypto stuff that is turned off by default. It has Web Torrents, IPFS, Tor, built-in ad blocking, etc. I just don't understand how someone can be "mad" at a feature that is turned off by default, especially when most browsers ship with literal spyware turned on.

For the record, IPFS also has ties to cryptocurrency with Filecoin. I have no intention of using Brave or IPFS for that reason, if I can avoid it. I really think most people don't understand how destructive cryptocurrency is, in multiple ways. If you don't care about the energy use causing greenhouse gas emissions, how about electronic waste? https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-electronic-waste-monitor/ How about the im…

Give it a rest. Everything you stated is hyperbole.

We should all just return to sticks and stones I guess.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by busymom0 »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #519
bgarbiak wrote: post #495

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> It’s equivalent to calling people the 4 letter n word. No, it's absolutely different thing. One is derogative racial slur, carrying a baggage of slavery, violence, rapes, and systemic injustice that's present in the society to this day; and the other one is a description of people who choose to ignore science and are willing to risk life of others basing on their anecdotal evidence.

Well put. But I wouldn't waste much more time replying to this person, because they were recently asking HN for advice on how to use software to write a lawsuit they're self-litigating. Fifty bucks says it's some "MUH FREEDUHM" anti-mask/vaccine requirement lawsuit. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28440576 You're not changing their mind on something like this.

Am I back on Reddit? Such ivory tower elitism is what's wrong with intellectual authoritarians. 80% of litigants in my country are self-represented. You are showing elitism towards them.

Also if you read that post you dug up carefully, I wasn't asking for "how to use software to write a lawsuit". I was asking what alternatives to Google Docs and Word do lawyers use. Those are 2 very different things.

And you are agreeing with the person who clearly incorrectly thought of the wrong word even though I said "4 letter word". So you are okay with misinformation for your agenda. Nuance and facts are clearly not an expertise as you missed in my original comment.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by BrendanEich »

magicalist wrote: post #511
BrendanEich wrote: post #493

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I was involved with the mozilla/browser team from the start, we shared an irc channel and knew how to use it to take down Netscape inside AOL and then restart the browser market. Who are you and where were you inside Netscape then? Or are you just lying about me?

> Or are you just lying about me? Leaving aside the whole "please don't fulminate" thing, you're going to have to be specific about which part is incorrect. Is it just the "he wasn't originally involved in Firefox when it started" word choice and you'd like that amended to "he didn't start Firefox (though was aware of it and soon incorporated it into Mozilla's strategic plans)"? The righteous demand for truth would b…

I reject your false dilemma split across a parenthetical aside (which shows your prose skills :-P). No, it's not either "he didn't start Firefox (though was aware of it and soon incorporated it into Mozilla's strategic plans)". I was close with all the principals, we talked about doing it from the very start, we strategized on how to get it out under Netscape management radar.

Ask Dave Hyatt, Blake Ross, Ian Hickson, or others if you dare. Unlike you (I have to presume), I have friends who support me and will testify if you bug them and they are willing to answer HN anon hostiles like you.

I never said I was "the one true Mozillian", that's another false dichotomy from you, and a jerk move. You didn't answer my question about the basis for your hot take here. I doubt you were there at Netscape. Did you just make it up, or get it third hand?

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by gred »

mehphp wrote: post #475
ajvs wrote: post #470

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He's not an anti-vaxxer. He is pro-vaccine for all other illnesses. He's also said he doesn't care if you choose to take it, just don't mandate it For all people when the science is not clear about the cost:benefit ratio for certain populations such as children. That being against mandating these emergency experimental COVID-19 vaccines for all individuals is being conflated as being an "anti-vaxxer" shows how much p…

I'm not conflating the two, I didn't say anything about his stance on the mandates. > That being against mandating these emergency experimental COVID-19 vaccines They are not "experimental" by the way, THAT is propaganda/misinformation.

Please. I had to sign a 3-page liability waiver to get my COVID vaccine. I didn't have to do that for my flu vaccine, and never have.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by BrendanEich »

sf_rob wrote: post #508
BrendanEich wrote: post #497

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I was influencer only until 2013 when I took over engineering, so I’ll take some blame for desktop, especially from then till I left. Mozilla bungled Firefox OS after I left, lost Andreas Gal and most of the top talent, lost Li Gong, while KaiOS based on same code and business plan, with some of the talent, took over and grew to over 200M phones. Blame Mozilla there. I had nothing to do with the switch to Yahoo. That…

>You may dislike me I said nothing of the sort. >but your fantasy blame game I did not blame you, only addressed the narrow point of Mozilla "flying high" in 2014. >cannot excuse Mozilla outcomes lately I said nothing about Mozilla's recent history. I get that the tech community has not treated you nicely so I guess I understand reading things defensively, but that doesn't inspire good faith discussion.

What a fake reply. First, you did blame me:

"Eich was still at Mozilla (not CEO) when Mozilla under-invested in desktop performance, failed to get Firefox OS off the ground, and most likely laid the groundwork to switching to Yahoo."

The last "most likely laid the groundwork" ungrammatically modifies the "Eich was still at Mozilla" and definitely tries to blame me for Firefox making Yahoo default search in Dec. 2014. Own up to the denotation of your own fractured words!

Of course you didn't mention Mozilla's history after me, as you were too busy blaming me for problems up until I left.

There is no "the tech community" and I'm not defensive, but you are, because I called out your offensive and dishonest comment. Have a nice day.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by mananaysiempre »

nr2x wrote: post #430
hairofadog wrote: post #423

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yelp, pinterest, w3schools

Prior to mdn w3schools was a decent way to quickly find info on random HTML tags. Not sure why it gets so much hate.

Prior to the popularity of MDN and campaigns like W3Fools (q.v.), the articles on W3Schools were very bad from a web standards perspective ( and VBScript levels of bad); from a programming perspective, their PHP articles (which largely date from that time) are still incredibly shoddy. Their unwillingness to relinquish the unwarranted authoritative tone or at least visibly disavow any connection to the W3C (who asked repeatedly), coupled with their domination of search results, at a time of a standards push (remember validator buttons?) and multiple high-quality documentation efforts (later folded into MDN; Opera in particular had a good course) just plain got on people’s nerves.

They’re a valid reference, just a low-grade one, and using a low-grade reference is rarely a good tradeoff. They also used to be worse and never quite shook of their reputation.

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