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Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by mrtksn »

ApolIllo wrote: post #98
mrtksn wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every NLP AI is like that, it’s like trying to make a mentally challenged person do something for you and you have to correct them for something extremely simple and it is frustrating. Yes, Google, I did not type North Korea DHL by accident. I really mean the odd one because I’m curious if they have DHL but I really don’t feel like explaining it to you. Could you please simply don’t assume stuff by default? I appreci…

So what did you find out? Does DHL deliver to DPRK?

Apparently they do deliver and they even have a branch in Pyongyang.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuMsDf-z_hs

And the AI was better this time, it returned DHL's page as the first result: https://mydhl.express.dhl/kp/en/contact-us.html

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by sverhagen »

skinkestek wrote: post #85
sverhagen wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder maybe every other day if I could delist W3Schools, by maybe always adding a negating query aspect to the URL. But this all doesn't seem easily supported, when I looked at it. Yep, hating on W3Schools with a passion. Younger self shot himself too often in foot with W3Schools.

Warning: unusual opinions sliding into a full fledged rant. I know it is cool to hate w3schools and I don't use it personally, but seriously, can we get over ourselves here? The reason why w3schools rank highly and have done for years is because for a large segment of users it works. And as someone else has pointed out the official documentation is often atrocious: both Python and Java online docs are close to worthl…

My hate for W3Schools comes from the low quality of the content and the impression I get that their high ranking is only the result of SEO hacking. I respect the fact that there's a lot of _poor_ official documentation. But let's not supplant that with different _poor_ documentation.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by dmw_ng »

devwastaken wrote: post #6

This reminds me to uninstall brave. Rebranded chromium with crypto shilling and now "premium search"? They didn't even test DNS with their tor feature, causing identity leaks. Can we not just have the chromium builds degoogled and include the codecs and DRM libs? Woolyss builds do all that, but there's no fancy single download installer+auto updater. We need just "chromium".

The right to directly vote for a search engine with actual money is huge, as is the right to withdraw that vote. If Google went this route a few decades ago, their search product (and the Internet as a whole) would likely be in a much, much healthier place today

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

judge2020 wrote: post #58
hiyer wrote: post #35

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True. If you search for any Python documentation the first links on Google are almost always geeksforgeeks, w3schools, etc instead of the official Python docs.

I think this is telling of how often the python docs actually solve peoples’ questions. For example, I searched “python string replace”, with the first 4 being tutorialpoint, w3schools, geeksforgeeks, stack overflow and at position 8 is the python docs. The issue with the python docs for this search is that it takes me to “built-in types”, and starts off with things totally irrelevant to what I want. I now have to go…

I think string replacement in Python is a particularly egregious example because strings are core language types. Library docs are a lot better organized and a lot more easily indexed. This is just a problem with Python's docs in general, imo.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by dx034 »

leodriesch wrote: post #36
whoisjuan wrote: post #8

Honest question. I have used DuckDuckGo and Brave Search and although they seem to do the job for generic searches they really suck for very specific searches. How likely is for one of these search engines to catch-up technologically to Google's sophistication? I really can't see a clear trajectory for them to compete with Google's quality.

What makes Google a lot more useful than the alternatives is the vast amount of “widgets” they have. For example when searching for a persons age, in shows up instantly in a large font on top. When searching for “champions league today”, you will get all soccer games for today neatly presented right inside of Google. I haven’t seen another search engine that makes accessing this type of information this easy to acces…

DDG also has widgets. But they don't have good localized results. That's where Google really excels. Any non-English search queries are just bad on alternative search engines. Maybe they're impossible to get right if you don't have programmers around the world or there's just no focus on those for the other search engines.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by dx034 »

DeathArrow wrote: post #82
zestyping wrote: post #18

Does anyone else find the font choice in Brave Search to be an obstacle for them? I just find it so hard to read. I've set Brave as the default search in my browser (Chrome) in an attempt to give less of my traffic to Google, but most of the time I just get frustrated trying to read the search results and repeat the query in Google Search. I know it's ridiculous that I haven't just switched back to Google. I still wa…

You can write an user script to replace fonts if you use something like Greasemonkey.

But if a large amount of users have that issue, that'll cause Brave search to fail. 99%+ of users will never use custom scripts, they'd just use the search engine that works out of the box.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by lobocinza »

tommica wrote: post #87
eloisius wrote: post #7

I’ve been using Brave search for several months now. I switched the day that it was announced. The quality is fairly good, but I’m having troubling telling whether it’s just my own halo effect or if the initial quality that experienced has started to slip a little as it indexes more widely or something. At first I was impressed with how little spam ended up in top results, but lately exact queries for Python function…

I remember reading in HN an idea about allowing people to customize the weights used to filter search results - a search engine that provided that, where I could use some curated configuration file. Maybe I could have profiles like "cooking", "programming", "news" and help the search engine even better to understand my intent. Or just have the "don't show results from this site again" button from youtube taken into g…

There's a Chromium extension, uBlacklist, that does something similar. You can blacklist sites from search results and also whitelist so those are highlighted.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by 1_player »

cromwellian wrote: post #67
1_player wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate how smart it tries to be. Sometimes you need to search an intentional misspelling, say, "Aple" (just an example), Google will helpfully try to correct you with "did you mean Apple?", and even if you put the word in quotes you still get results for Apple, not my intentionally misspelled search. Listen to what I'm trying to tell you, dumb machine. They've tweaked it so it only respond to what it thinks you want…

I tried your example both with and without quotes and I got Apple Hospitality which seems to be correct. Humans make so many typos that for the majority of people, autocorrecting is a net win.

I knew someone would try, which is why I specified this was just an example, I'm sure this time with that made up word it works, but when it doesn't it's pretty obvious and infuriating.

And autocorrect is a net loss if you can't correct the autocorrect.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by diss »

DeathArrow wrote: post #38

Google used to be good at one point in time. Now its search results aren't very relevant, it returns what it thinks it should interest you, not what you've actually searched for. It doesn't matter if you do a verbatim search, it will still try to be smart and use alternative terms.

This is interesting to me because I've been left with the opposite impression. I've tried several times to switch to an alternative such as Duckduckgo and _always_ end up supplementing it and eventually switching back to Google because the results just aren't what I'm after. It's fine when the answers I want exist on Stackoverflow for example, but anything more esoteric or less specific and I find myself disappointed. I'd love to switch permanently.
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