Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Drone operator will try to rescue dogs from Spanish volcano

reuters.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

51–60 of 116 posts

Re: Drone operator will try to rescue dogs from Spanish volcano

#51

Post by mike_d »

323 wrote: post #23
vorpalhex wrote: post #3

Obviously a last ditch rescue attempt, which vindicates the untested methodology that we might otherwise be critical of. Also rather faith restoring that so many people are attempting to save these animals at cost to themselves.

> Also rather faith restoring that so many people are attempting to save these animals at cost to themselves. You're a bit naive. They will easily be able to raise $200k on a GoFundMe like thing. They will also gain massive social networks followings and be invited to leading podcasts and TV shows to talk about their heroism. All with minimal investment and zero personal and reputational risk, nobody will blame them…

The company has posted to social media asking people and news media to stop trying to contact them and their employees so they can focus on preparing for the rescue.

I don't think money or fame is the motivation here.

Re: Drone operator will try to rescue dogs from Spanish volcano

#52

Post by [deleted] »

323 wrote: post #23
vorpalhex wrote: post #3

Obviously a last ditch rescue attempt, which vindicates the untested methodology that we might otherwise be critical of. Also rather faith restoring that so many people are attempting to save these animals at cost to themselves.

> Also rather faith restoring that so many people are attempting to save these animals at cost to themselves. You're a bit naive. They will easily be able to raise $200k on a GoFundMe like thing. They will also gain massive social networks followings and be invited to leading podcasts and TV shows to talk about their heroism. All with minimal investment and zero personal and reputational risk, nobody will blame them…

[deleted]

Re: Drone operator will try to rescue dogs from Spanish volcano

#53

Post by voz_ »

323 wrote: post #23
vorpalhex wrote: post #3

Obviously a last ditch rescue attempt, which vindicates the untested methodology that we might otherwise be critical of. Also rather faith restoring that so many people are attempting to save these animals at cost to themselves.

> Also rather faith restoring that so many people are attempting to save these animals at cost to themselves. You're a bit naive. They will easily be able to raise $200k on a GoFundMe like thing. They will also gain massive social networks followings and be invited to leading podcasts and TV shows to talk about their heroism. All with minimal investment and zero personal and reputational risk, nobody will blame them…

What a wildly toxic reply. Are you really insinuating that people are saving poor trapped animals due to some selfish motivation? Is this how you see the world? If so, I'd rather be what you call "Naive".

Re: Drone operator will try to rescue dogs from Spanish volcano

#54

Post by 323 »

kodah wrote: post #42
323 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also rather faith restoring that so many people are attempting to save these animals at cost to themselves. You're a bit naive. They will easily be able to raise $200k on a GoFundMe like thing. They will also gain massive social networks followings and be invited to leading podcasts and TV shows to talk about their heroism. All with minimal investment and zero personal and reputational risk, nobody will blame them…

This rhetoric reminds me of the cynicism that a lot of, especially, environmental activists have. There are a lot of ways to make change. If you can prove that a drone can carry a dog out of a very hazardous environment then it's useful as our environment gets universally more hazardous. You're also casting shade on raising money or publicity -- my question to you: what major problem can be solved without isolated pu…

> my question to you: what major problem can be solved without isolated public examples and money

I'm pretty sure the things Bill Gates foundation does are not about isolated public examples - they evaluate proposals based on impact, measured in lives saved, and not in heart warming individual saves. Sterile stuff like providing anti-mosquito bed nets which don't make you tear up.

Re: Drone operator will try to rescue dogs from Spanish volcano

#55

Post by 323 »

voz_ wrote: post #53
323 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also rather faith restoring that so many people are attempting to save these animals at cost to themselves. You're a bit naive. They will easily be able to raise $200k on a GoFundMe like thing. They will also gain massive social networks followings and be invited to leading podcasts and TV shows to talk about their heroism. All with minimal investment and zero personal and reputational risk, nobody will blame them…

What a wildly toxic reply. Are you really insinuating that people are saving poor trapped animals due to some selfish motivation? Is this how you see the world? If so, I'd rather be what you call "Naive".

It's worse. There's a whole industry on Facebook/YouTube of people who "save dogs stuck in cement" which they put into that situation, and the videos get tens of millions of views.

https://www.four-paws.org/our-stories/publications-guides/fa...

https://dogtime.com/advocacy/79431-fake-dog-rescue-videos

Re: Drone operator will try to rescue dogs from Spanish volcano

#56

Post by aaron695 »

wavefunction wrote: post #36
jagger27 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This language reminds me of the infamous Thai cave rescue. Look how public opinion turned on Elon in that instance. There are a lot of differences here, of course.

Didn't public opinion swing against Elon Musk for trying to insert himself into an already on-going rescue and then called one of the men who did rescue the kids a 'pedo-guy'? That's something I'd expect from a 13 year old on xbox live.

> and then called one of the men who did rescue the kids a 'pedo-guy'

Absolutely not.

It was in response to the backlash, complicated, and clearly Elon wasn't doing anything for PR. He's smart and has a smart team, he knew if he killed the kids it'd hurt him an order of magnitude more than saving them. The fact one person died in the rescue was not unfortunate, it was expected, getting every kid out alive was unexpected.

"The subject of Musk’s tweet, Vernon Unsworth, had slammed the tech leader’s efforts to aid in the cave rescue by building a miniature submarine, calling it a “PR stunt” in an interview with CNN." (CNN lied about Unsworth calling it a “PR stunt”, FWIW)

People are so mentally ill they can't even remember their own lives anymore. It's all on the record in Google, but I guess no one cares about the fidelity of their own past.

These drone operators will get fucked if they drop the dogs. Because people are cunts and want someone to hurt. That's the Twitter way, always ends up a lynch mob. The media has always done this, but Twitter refined it to a speedy art with no recovery, pre-internet it was cyclic at least.

Re: Drone operator will try to rescue dogs from Spanish volcano

#57

Post by foobarbecue »

esel2k wrote: post #39

I think the 4minutes will be very hard. But since the limiting factor is the battery and the dog probably not cooperating, why not first fly a solar panel (to charge the drone) or an unpowered trap (to give enough time to catch the dog) to allow to rerisk the limitations…

Good idea. I'm not sure why drone charging stations with auto landing pads aren't a commerically sold product yet. I've seen a lot of implementations in masters theses and stuff. If your robot vaccum can do it, your drone can do it.

Re: Drone operator will try to rescue dogs from Spanish volcano

#58

Post by mmaunder »

They should drop a trap with food if the dogs are still ambulatory. Avoids having to hover and make multiple trap attempts, and risk running out of power in flight. It's also easier to pick up a trap with a dog in it than trap a dog terrified of the giant buzzing thing above them. And it ensures they don't half-net a dog only to have it fall out en-route.

Re: Drone operator will try to rescue dogs from Spanish volcano

#59

Post by fencepost »

consumer451 wrote: post #19
vient wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you opened the link? > Helicopters are banned from flying to the area because of hot gas that can damage their rotors.

Which is not quite accurate. AFAIK, the problem is that the tiny particles quickly destroy the turbine engines, not the rotor itself.

Which makes me wonder about the feasibility of a drone with flight powered by hydrogen peroxide rather than electric motors......

Little single-person helicopters powered with 85% H2O2 and a silver catalyst cropped up as a thing back in 2010, but the company in question appears to be gone now.

Re: Drone operator will try to rescue dogs from Spanish volcano

#60

Post by entropie »

We just imported such a dog from spain from a rescue agency to find a new owner for the dog in germany (thats the most easy part, I guess). Otherwise they are euthanized. Its a Podenco mix, the same type of dog as seen on the pictures.

I really hope they can rescue them but I fear these dogs will it not make easy to catch them with a net and even more hard to fly them out because I bet they will try to free them self.

Post reply on HN