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At Netflix, a star and employees pressure a top executive over Dave Chappelle

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Re: At Netflix, a star and employees pressure a top executive over Dave Chappelle

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Post by WorldMaker »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #32
Miner49er wrote: post #3

Whether or not you agree with Netflix or not, they are being hypocritical and inconsistent. They went and removed a bunch of shows for having blackface last year (from what I can see, used typically or maybe always for comedy and often in a way that's making fun of racism.) [1] Yet now their CEO is defending this new show and saying, "Adults can watch violence, assault and abuse – or enjoy shocking stand-up comedy –…

I'd say the situations look worse here. Most of the blackface I'm aware of that got removed was mocking racism (community), or the lack of nuance around what makes something racism (always sunny). Both were fairly obviously not condoning it. This content directly mocks trans people and makes assertions that they're not legitimate. It's as far as I can tell, not a fictitious situation, just part of a routine. Seems li…

I think the situation here is worse too because the CEO used Netflix's publishing of the documentary Disclosure, which directly calls out the harm of jokes such as Chappelle's, as part of the defense that the company itself isn't anti-trans, which feels a bit too much like the hypocrisy of saying "we posted a documentary about the horrible harm that blackface does so we are 'allowed' to post our own blackface stuff". It doesn't work that way.

Re: At Netflix, a star and employees pressure a top executive over Dave Chappelle

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Post by jjk166 »

routrage wrote: post #34
jjk166 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty big difference between saying something inappropriate during a comedic performance and jacking off in front of non-consenting people.

And one similarity: Louis CK is still highly criticized for going back on tour by the same people that criticized him 5-7 years ago. That is what was being discussed, scroll up to learn more.

How is it a similarity if it's only happened to one of them? Chappelle hasn't been criticized after 5-7 years for returning to stand up.

You can't ignore why someone is being criticized when discussing whether other people who are being criticized for different reasons will be treated the same way.

Re: At Netflix, a star and employees pressure a top executive over Dave Chappelle

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Post by wodenokoto »

> In a rare public rebuke, the Australian comedian Hannah Gadsby upbraided Mr. Sarandos by name for his defense of Mr. Chappelle.

Say what you want about the whole thing, but the two comedy shows with Hannah Gadsby on Netflix are _really_ good and I recommend everyone to watch them.

Re: At Netflix, a star and employees pressure a top executive over Dave Chappelle

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Post by Barrin92 »

angryasian wrote: post #17

Its interesting to me that at one time the idea of separating politics and work used to be standard decorum. I do think we as human beings obviously can not shut off our feelings, its important for companies to realize this and allow their employees to disagree and express themselves. In the end, its still up to employees to be mature about it.

>Its interesting to me that at one time the idea of separating politics and work used to be standard decorum

it's a mirage of sorts. Exercising sovereign power and drawing the line where politics ends is in itself political, in fact it's arguably the most political act there is. What's changed is not 'how much' politics there is but where the power lies.

tech workers in contrast to a lot of people in the past have significant leverage, because they're relatively few in numbers, in high demand, and have fairly homogenous views which happen to conflict with the people who own all the stuff. Which makes for a fairly combustible combination.

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Post by Syntonicles »

refenestrator wrote: post #7
Miner49er wrote: post #3

Whether or not you agree with Netflix or not, they are being hypocritical and inconsistent. They went and removed a bunch of shows for having blackface last year (from what I can see, used typically or maybe always for comedy and often in a way that's making fun of racism.) [1] Yet now their CEO is defending this new show and saying, "Adults can watch violence, assault and abuse – or enjoy shocking stand-up comedy –…

It's the same conundrum as some open source projects who put up a BLM banner at the height of the protests last year. How do you ever remove it now? Not that the issues have been fixed but there's more than one issue in the world and you're a json library.

I encountered this for the first time just this week and it felt so awkward and out of place.

Re: At Netflix, a star and employees pressure a top executive over Dave Chappelle

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Post by dqx »

refenestrator wrote: post #11
routrage wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting speculation, is it based on anything at all? Louis CK was highly criticized for going back on tour by the same people that criticized him for the sexual misconduct he admitted to in 2017.

How many people are mad at Joe Rogan on this issue at this moment? None, they're all on Chappelle right now, it'll be someone else soon. One other note, on CK, I wonder the overlap between people who want him punished forever and those who support rehabilitation of actual felons.

Joe Rogan's comments keep coming up in the context of discussion of this issue in recent news; many people are still mad. You've picked a poor example.

https://www.salon.com/2021/10/18/tucker-carlson-joe-rogan-an...

Re: At Netflix, a star and employees pressure a top executive over Dave Chappelle

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Post by Dma54rhs »

handoflixue wrote: post #14
GaryTang wrote: post #12

Dear Netflix: Please fire every single individual that walks out. There are thousands of individuals who have been rejected from roles at your company that would look at this situation in a rational light.

So you're calling on Netflix to "cancel" these employees because they're expressing political views you don't agree with? And the political views you're so bothered by are... employees calling on Netflix to "cancel" someone who expressed political views they don't agree with? How is this not just flagrant hypocrisy

Netflix doesn't owe them a job, does it? They can do what they want with their company.

Re: At Netflix, a star and employees pressure a top executive over Dave Chappelle

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Post by Jeff_Brown »

throwawaysea wrote: post #30

Why do companies fear loud Twitter mobs or small groups of vocal activist employees? These companies can simply ignore them or fire them if they aren’t doing their job. It is best for tech companies to be politically neutral. After all, half the country and much of the world don’t hold progressive Bay Area views. Serving and representing them is just as important and employees need to maturely deal with it or quit.

Expanding on the question, what are good examples of angry Twitter mobs that ended up costing companies a lot of money? (With or without the legal system being the source of those losses.)

Re: At Netflix, a star and employees pressure a top executive over Dave Chappelle

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Post by staysafeanon »

dqx wrote: post #47
refenestrator wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many people are mad at Joe Rogan on this issue at this moment? None, they're all on Chappelle right now, it'll be someone else soon. One other note, on CK, I wonder the overlap between people who want him punished forever and those who support rehabilitation of actual felons.

Joe Rogan's comments keep coming up in the context of discussion of this issue in recent news; many people are still mad. You've picked a poor example. https://www.salon.com/2021/10/18/tucker-carlson-joe-rogan-an...

Salon is not news, it's yellow journalism.
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