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Colin Powell has died

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Re: Colin Powell has died

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Post by jl6 »

sofixa wrote: post #188
jl6 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that in all the various calls for war crime prosecutions for the Iraq war, Colin Powell is rarely if ever named as one of the accused.

Quoting Wikipedia: > Powell's chief role was to garner international support for a multi-national coalition to mount the invasion. To this end, Powell addressed a plenary session of the United Nations Security Council on February 5, 2003, to argue in favor of military action. Citing numerous anonymous Iraqi defectors, Powell asserted that "there can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the capab…

It should be really easy to find some examples of people attempting to put him on trial, given such a slam dunk case.

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Post by glenstein »

ekianjo wrote: post #104
aazaa wrote: post #69

Original title: "Colin Powell, military leader and first Black US secretary of state, dies after complications from Covid-19" From the article: > "We have lost a remarkable and loving husband, father, grandfather and a great American," they said, noting he was fully vaccinated. The ongoing high profile, fatal breakthrough Covid-19 cases should not be underestimated. They are to be expected statistically, but taken in…

> The ongoing high profile, fatal breakthrough Covid-19 cases should not be underestimated. They are to be expected statistically, but taken individually continue to feed into the idea that "vaccines don't work" and conspiracy theories. It's not expected when the administration and other "health agencies" keep parroting that COVID19 would be over tomorrow if everyone was vaccinated. They are lying just as much. EDIT:…

The paper you linked explicitly advocates for increasing vaccination rates. It just says that the effort to vaccinate should be supplemented with hand washing, distancing, and testing.

Re: Colin Powell has died

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Post by bartread »

pessimizer wrote: post #77
bartread wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Phil Donahue is 85. I imagine he's been taking things a bit easier for 10 or 15 years. It's not as though Colin Powell has been making headlines for a while either, and for no doubt similar reasons. This has nothing to do with whether or not he should have taken a stand against the war in Iraq. I agree with disneygibson: Colin Powell had an exceptional career, all of which led up to that moment, where he simply blew…

Phil Donahue was fired for questioning the evidence that was sending us to war.

Sure, or at least they'd discussed firing him because of that (but it was in advance of the invasion, I believe), but he was already what he might have considered retirement age when that happened. Could he have gone on elsewhere if he'd wanted to? I bet he could have done. Maybe he just didn't want to.

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Post by TheHypnotist »

jtdev wrote: post #143
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7018e1.htm?s_cid=mm... In a multistate network of U.S. hospitals during January–March 2021, receipt of Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna COVID-19 vaccines was 94% effective against COVID-19 hospitalization among fully vaccinated adults and 64% effective among partially vaccinated adults aged ≥65 years.

I don’t believe any-fucking-thing the CDC is saying rn about C19.

Oh, why?

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Post by trasz »

CapricornNoble wrote: post #24

Colin Powell is a textbook case of "A thousand 'Atta-boys!' and one fuck-up!". He joined the Army in the 1950s, served through 2 tours in Vietnam, and made it all the way to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs by the end of the 1980s, leading the military through Operation Desert Storm and the post-Soviet era. That's a rare career for ANY American, let alone a black one. But all that went "poof!" after his shameful performa…

Now imagine saying all this stuff about "role model" if he was responsible for killing a million civilian Americans instead.

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Post by jl6 »

NoGravitas wrote: post #125
jl6 wrote: post #118

To help keep things grounded, here’s the UN’s definition of war crime: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/war-crimes.shtml Before throwing around the accusation of “war criminal”, take a look and try to determine which crime the accused committed. A politician lying on a grave matter may be reprehensible or even unforgivable, but let’s not debase language with undue exaggeration.

8.2.b.iv.: Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated;

The point of that one is “clearly excessive”, not just the intentional launching of an attack.

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Post by trasz »

emptyfile wrote: post #94

A million dead civilians. All that blood is on America as a whole, but this guy's hands are as bloody as they can be. Reading these comments it seems America has forgiven him... I assure you the rest of the world won't forget...

Americans don't seem to have a problem with war crimes, as long as it's their military who commits them. Even Russia seems more modest in this regard - when they down a passenger airliner, at least they don't pretend it was the right thing to do and don't proudly decorate the perpetrators.

Re: Colin Powell has died

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Post by trasz »

betterunix2 wrote: post #4

RIP. This is very sad news. I personally disagreed with many of his actions, especially the Iraq/WMD story, but even so I had a lot of respect for him.

A lot of respect for a war monger responsible for killing million random people? No offence, but this says a lot about your ethics.
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