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Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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> Regulatory arbitrage of some sort seems to be involved in many recent digital business models. Whether it concerns or involves (lack of) data privacy regulation, "reinventing" labour contracts or undercutting taxation frameworks, it is a most cruel reminder of how poor the management of the commons. Well here is the thing, in my country the majority of Airbnb rental are(at least were) illegal. Authorities knew this…

> One of the reasons why all these SV tech business got away with it is the fact that they are all located in US Well, they could still be (at the very least) prohibited from operating in your country. Sadly, most of these services (Airbnb, Uber) were also illegal here in the US, but for "some reason" (aka lots and lots of $$$), no one ever bothered enforcement against them. Eventually they spent enough money on brib…

I'm curious if Uber/Lyft is going to last in SF. It does not take more than one $90 for 3 mile ride experience for me and my friends to never want to count on Lyft again.

The way it works is, you think I'll just Uber/Lyft to meet my friends. So you order one say 20 minutes before you're supposed to meet only to find an extremely high price. You pay it so you're not late but then you also vow to plan ahead so you never have to take it again. I haven't taken one since I was burned in June. Another friend got burned last month and I'd guess he's likely to not take another either.

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I've often thought that municipal regulations would be the best way to get rid of unsavory American corporations. Another one that I'm not surprised has happened yet is a ~$5,000 dollar per day fine for an unattended cash register. That would get rid of CVS and Walgreens overnight.

I’m sure i’m being dense here, but can you please explain the justification for fining a retailer for an unattended cash register? Also what’s unsavory about CVS/Walgreens?

It creates a theft nuisance, they attract shoplifters to nearby stores.

In that way you don't want a Walgreens or CVS in your neighborhood in the same way you don't want a 24 hour liquor store in your neighborhood.

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That's a fair point, I suppose while I am not Tom, Dick, or Harry, it is also a significant barrier to not know if you will have accommodations ahead of arrival, so for those off the beaten path places AirBnB is pretty important. FWIW, I have in fact signed leases and stayed in places with "legitimate" rentals (I think AirBnB is only illegitimate where it violates law, which is not everywhere). A minimum stay for me…

> I suppose while I am not Tom, Dick, or Harry... How are you not Tom, Dick or Harry? When I first started traveling, I believed the "I'm different" thing too, but it's a bit hubristic. Tourists come in all shapes and sizes these days and there are a lot of location-independent folks ("nomads") who will move around every few weeks or months, not days. In my experience, most "off the beaten path" places that have Airb…

> In my experience, most "off the beaten path" places that have Airbnb listings almost always have at least one legitimate hotel, hostel, or homestay. In fact, I'd go so far as to suggest that most places that have Airbnbs aren't nearly as "off the beaten path" as you're telling yourself.

I think that's kind of my whole point, to some degree. In the Age of the Internet, the world is more connected than it has ever been before, which means the path is less beaten by roadways than it is by wires and signals from wireless towers. If a place has any form of reasonable Internet connectivity, it's probably not really that far "off the beaten path", but that's also essential as a basis for any reasonable accommodation. So, no, I'm not visiting remote tribes in the Amazonian jungle, but I also wouldn't for many reasons including ethical considerations. Visiting a rural village in the countryside of a country not known for tourism, but that nevertheless has broadband Internet, is not as far off the beaten path, but it is still outside the awareness of typical tourists.

The world being more connected is generally a good thing, and I'd say a net good, but it's not all roses and cherries, and in fact there are many negative externalities to this connectivity as well. AirBnB provides people a way to arbitrage those externalities, but it's not wholly evil either, it also has positive attributes that can benefit both parties.

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>You gotta choose one, if extreme luck is involved in the process then it's not "easy" because it could have gone the other way as well, and the protagonists knew it too, but still decided to step into the arena. No, you can make very easy money playing the lotto. All you have to do is give the gas station guy $2 and you're a billionaire. Just because you're the one who got lucky doesn't mean it's hard work or anythi…

The hard work is concentrated in the process of betting your life on a very unprobable outcome

Betting your life? Zuckerberg was at Harvard and I assume has well-off parents. FB could have been a total dud and I'm sure he would have done fine.

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I’m sure i’m being dense here, but can you please explain the justification for fining a retailer for an unattended cash register? Also what’s unsavory about CVS/Walgreens?

Have you ever been to Walgreens with 10+ registers but just one attendee?

No. Walgreens only has two registers and one self register in the stores near me.

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> One of the reasons why all these SV tech business got away with it is the fact that they are all located in US Well, they could still be (at the very least) prohibited from operating in your country. Sadly, most of these services (Airbnb, Uber) were also illegal here in the US, but for "some reason" (aka lots and lots of $$$), no one ever bothered enforcement against them. Eventually they spent enough money on brib…

I'm curious if Uber/Lyft is going to last in SF. It does not take more than one $90 for 3 mile ride experience for me and my friends to never want to count on Lyft again. The way it works is, you think I'll just Uber/Lyft to meet my friends. So you order one say 20 minutes before you're supposed to meet only to find an extremely high price. You pay it so you're not late but then you also vow to plan ahead so you neve…

I mean, the $90, 3 mile experience doesn't happen as a surprise occurrence... you agree to the price upfront, so you must have really needed to get somewhere 3 miles away as fast as possible. The price being high is just a function of there not being as many drivers available (its especially bad these days as many drivers have moved on to better jobs or not engaged in the workforce or don't want to do this job during covid times)

To your second point, there are still scheduling options, "wait + save" where they do offer pickup 20 min from now and locking in your price, but... if you are using those features couldn't you also use the bus?

I don't see any of your problems steering you back towards taxis, especially in SF where they were AWFUL (can't say if they have improved in the last 7 years)

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Air travel is still great if you fly first class, which if I remember correctly, is exactly as expensive as air travel was in the good old days.

Not since 9/11 , the security theatre is still very painful, even in first. I'm sure it's much more comfortable if you're flying general aviation, but that's still way more expensive than commercial ever was, even in the 60s

I don't have an arab complexion, but TSA has never been that much of a hassle for me. Is it really that bad for you? I just have to take my belt and shoes off and take my laptop out. There are lines, but it usually doesn't take me more than 20 minutes to get through.

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> One of the reasons why all these SV tech business got away with it is the fact that they are all located in US Well, they could still be (at the very least) prohibited from operating in your country. Sadly, most of these services (Airbnb, Uber) were also illegal here in the US, but for "some reason" (aka lots and lots of $$$), no one ever bothered enforcement against them. Eventually they spent enough money on brib…

I'm curious if Uber/Lyft is going to last in SF. It does not take more than one $90 for 3 mile ride experience for me and my friends to never want to count on Lyft again. The way it works is, you think I'll just Uber/Lyft to meet my friends. So you order one say 20 minutes before you're supposed to meet only to find an extremely high price. You pay it so you're not late but then you also vow to plan ahead so you neve…

I noticed this too. When I was in the bay area previously (temporarily) before moving out here permanently, about 2 years ago, I was able to uber places like the grocery store due to not having a car. Flash forward to today and I actually opted to buy my own car because uber and lyft have become ridiculously expensive

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Do you always attack people so personal? "Education on me has been wasted" :)? I said GroenLinks was dominant under upper white middle class. Which it is since it's the biggest party in the council at the moment and was by far the most popular in White upper class neighborhoods like west and ijburg last local elections. And is by far, with it's dominant leader, the most dominant voice in the current council; to call…

>Do you always attack people so personal? "Education on me has been wasted" :)?

I specifically take offence that you were suggesting on a forum like this that Amsterdam is some anti-capitalist stronghold, which is just ridiculous, and if you spread that notion in a place like this, you are doing economic harm to the Netherlands, which i am assuming you are part of. So that would be .. not so smart.

>I said GroenLinks was dominant under upper white middle class

It's not though. It's dominant under all those students here. Amsterdam is also a student city. Which makes sense, since its a progressive environmentally reactionary party, but their demographics dont really extend beyond 30.

>Which it is since it's the biggest party in the council at the moment

We don't have a first past the pole system, so 'biggest' doesn't mean anything. No single party has a majority. In terms of ideologies there is a progressive majority, there is a capitalist majority, there is an environmental majority.

The previous city election had a lot of VVDers voting for GL because they want to kick the cars out of the center. (which would double the property value of most real estate there)

But now compare those results to the results of the general election in Amsterdam, where they are just the 3rd party, after both D66 and the VVD.

>And is by far, with it's dominant leader, the most dominant voice in the current council; to call them left is not a stretch, it's in their name.

Femke is not dominant at all. She doesn't actually set the policy, she reports to the Hague. Thats how a mayor works in the Netherlands. The central government generally doesn't want to deal with anyone not in the inner circle of national politics. And making her mayor was Rutte trying to buy some votes in the 1st chamber, when his coalition didn't have a majority there any more.

She does have the ability to veto in her position, or to give a direct order to the police, and she has used it twice so far. The first time was when the city councel wanted to ban booze on boots in the canals, and she considered it unenforceable and ridiculous. The other was quite recently, when she banned fireworks for this New Years Eve. In both cases, i suspect she did that based on direct feedback by the police deparment.

>the house restrictions policy for sure can be described as anti capitalistic since they limit the free use of your capital (,house)

The basis of capitalism are: - ability to incorporate (the company itself being a legal entity) - contract law (the words in the contract holier than any human relationship) - state monopoly on violence (enforcing the exact words in the contract) - regulated and well defined ability to own things (esspecially real-estate)

If cars weren't regulated, you wouldn't dare buy one. If hotels aren't regulated, tourists wouldn't dare to come. You need the gilds, you need a waag, you need a court and a city hall where all the merchants can use a democratic process to avoid the tragedy of the commons.

So, your example. You don't own the land. It's all a lease. A lease of which the terms can change at will, by the true property owner, which is the city of Amsterdam, which is owned by the state.

The merchant of Amsterdam democratically decided they prefer less AirBnB, because it means more monies on average. Because tourists are poor, and residents are rich.

>Or only allowing buyers that will live in the houses.

Again, the city buys what it wants. It wants a high income earner to come live in Amsterdam, and they are much more likely to do that, when they aren't burning their rent. Same thing with social housing. We all need nurses, teachers and police officers. If they can't live here, the city can't hire them. If they can't teach, heal and protect its rich citizen, they will leave.

>but it's definitely not a stretch for me to classify them as left.

I understand, and i would definatley agree that GL brands itself as left wing. But you shouldn't confuse the marketing for the products.

There are very few people in the city counsel without a fat stock portfolio. Amsterdam is a very capitalistic place. If you still dont believe me, try getting an organic juice at one of the far-left hippie bars in Amsterdam Noord for free.

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It was really weird walking in Amsterdam during summer this time around. Generally for past few year, I had seen explosions of tourists doing a weekend tours. There used to be barely any foot space to walk near dam square and shopping streets. This time I just was able to be make an appoint for Anne Frank museum a day before and simply walk in without a queue. This is the conundrum of tourism. If you too much tourist…

Same in Berlin in 2020. What a strange feeling it was to walk through the city almost alone. A big disaster for hotels & business, but a small wonder for the local crowd.

Unless you live in mitte, which basically nobody does, there didn’t feel much difference to me.
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