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Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by tut-urut-utut »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #188
lnxg33k1 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's rich getting richer at the cost of a whole bunch of individuals getting f* ked, hospitality staff is still being underpaid with 0hours contracts, and tenants are still being f* ked with increased housing prices, so COVID was quite good for lower classes, and I have no sympathy for the upper ones, the worst they get, the happier I am

> and I have no sympathy for the upper ones, the worst they get, the happier I am That's the stance I fully despise. My country (Russia) has suffered tremendously (and still does, 100 years later) because people sharing such ideas took power, killing dozens of millions in the process.

I doubt that introducing some regulations to introduce more fairness to the market can be honestly comparable to killing millions of people.

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Post by TomSwirly »

dspillett wrote: post #155
the-dude wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Social housing' normally forbids subletting. It can get you evicted.

This varies a lot depending on location. In some places private landlords can not (legally) block sub-letting (except of course where it would cause other breaches, for instance health & safety wrt having too many people living in a property) and this carries over to "social housing" that is provided via public/private cooperation schemes. (NOTE: I'm not intending to imply that it is the case here: I have no idea wha…

You cannot sublet social housing in Amsterdam. (I live in Amsterdam.)

People do, and people get caught. Both have happened to people I knew.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by TomSwirly »

mrep wrote: post #109
toshk wrote: post #101

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Not completely. Most were dormant advertisements. There is not a big tourist tax here; the biggest tax evasions for private people is probably on their income tax level, but that's not solved by this. The direct issue it addresses is the take over of many tourists of certain neighborhoods meant for living. The favorite hobby of habitants of Amsterdam is complaining about tourists. The fight against Airbnb is a symbol…

> There is not a big tourist tax here Seriously? Numbers I just googled show like 10-20 million tourists vs a metro population of 2.5 million and you guys have some of the highest taxes in the world? Why are you taxing yourself so much when you can tax the tourists because it is pretty much the opposite in most tourist places in the US?

> you guys have some of the highest taxes in the world?

I moved to Amsterdam from NYC, and honestly the taxes are about the same, with NY city and state taxes taken into account.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

iso1631 wrote: post #176
Freak_NL wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is one of the given reasons the municipality pursues this. There is a housing crisis in the Netherlands, so that gives some context to this.

> There is a housing crisis in the Netherlands Is there any western city where there isn't a housing crisis?

Perhaps there's something deeply wrong with western housing systems?

I don't want to sound too radical, but this seems to be inextricably connected to capitalism. We won't ever solve it without structural changes.

What Amsterdam is doing is a decent start at least.

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Post by [deleted] »

srmarm wrote: post #28
jikbd wrote: post #7

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Yeah… who are the owners of a flat to decide what to do with it, eh?

We have planning, zoning and safety laws for a reason. The owners of a flat can decide to do what they like within those parameters.

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Post by AbrahamParangi »

streamofdigits wrote: post #81

Regulatory arbitrage of some sort seems to be involved in many recent digital business models. Whether it concerns or involves (lack of) data privacy regulation, "reinventing" labour contracts or undercutting taxation frameworks, it is a most cruel reminder of how poor the management of the commons. While many of the efficiencies and attractions of re-inventing various businesses for the "digital age" seem genuine, t…

The prosocial case for regulatory arbitrage is that regulations can be good or bad but either way are usually sticky- so when they’re bad they’re bad for a long time. Societies, like all things, accumulate cruft over time and without arbitrage bad regulations won’t get reset until govt or economic collapse forces a major reset.

Arbitrage offers exposure to a world without some regulation and people can decide if they like that or not.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by [deleted] »

yetihehe wrote: post #183
secondcoming wrote: post #177

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'aviso'?

Written notification about tried delivery of a letter or package which can only be received in person. If you are not home, you can go to nearest post office and receive it there. Sorry, I thought it's english word.

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Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by jfrunyon »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #141
streamofdigits wrote: post #81

Regulatory arbitrage of some sort seems to be involved in many recent digital business models. Whether it concerns or involves (lack of) data privacy regulation, "reinventing" labour contracts or undercutting taxation frameworks, it is a most cruel reminder of how poor the management of the commons. While many of the efficiencies and attractions of re-inventing various businesses for the "digital age" seem genuine, t…

> Regulatory arbitrage of some sort seems to be involved in many recent digital business models. Whether it concerns or involves (lack of) data privacy regulation, "reinventing" labour contracts or undercutting taxation frameworks, it is a most cruel reminder of how poor the management of the commons. Well here is the thing, in my country the majority of Airbnb rental are(at least were) illegal. Authorities knew this…

> One of the reasons why all these SV tech business got away with it is the fact that they are all located in US

Well, they could still be (at the very least) prohibited from operating in your country.

Sadly, most of these services (Airbnb, Uber) were also illegal here in the US, but for "some reason" (aka lots and lots of $$$), no one ever bothered enforcement against them. Eventually they spent enough money on bribes^H^H^H^H^H^H lobbying to legalize themselves.

(Then, of course, at least in the case of Uber and friends, once they were established they quietly raised prices and reduced driver income, which were the very reasons the short-sighted public liked them so much.)

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by the-dude »

dspillett wrote: post #155
the-dude wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Social housing' normally forbids subletting. It can get you evicted.

This varies a lot depending on location. In some places private landlords can not (legally) block sub-letting (except of course where it would cause other breaches, for instance health & safety wrt having too many people living in a property) and this carries over to "social housing" that is provided via public/private cooperation schemes. (NOTE: I'm not intending to imply that it is the case here: I have no idea wha…

Is your comment in the context of the Dutch market?

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by azemetre »

debarshri wrote: post #129

It was really weird walking in Amsterdam during summer this time around. Generally for past few year, I had seen explosions of tourists doing a weekend tours. There used to be barely any foot space to walk near dam square and shopping streets. This time I just was able to be make an appoint for Anne Frank museum a day before and simply walk in without a queue. This is the conundrum of tourism. If you too much tourist…

Aren't you forgetting the massive global pandemic that has surely impacted how, where, and when people vacation? Kinda hard to blame too much "disney-ification" on lack of tourists when tourism is being hit hard every where.
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