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Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by dingdongbing »

jikbd wrote: post #7
difosfor wrote: post #4

Good riddance

Yeah… who are the owners of a flat to decide what to do with it, eh?

The problem is that the locals cannot find housing themselves. Laws like this protect the common people of Amsterdam at the expense of the flat owners inalienable right to exploit them

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Post by bennysomething »

nikanj wrote: post #9

So essentially 80% were not properly registered and paying taxes? I’m not that surprised, once a good double-digit number are cheating, cheating becomes the only viable way to remain competitive.

What evidence do you having for cheating being only way to remain competitive? What exactly do you mean by cheating?

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by wombatmobile »

philliphaydon wrote: post #5
djbebs wrote: post #3

Shame that local councils are once again meddling in things they have no business being in.

After being screwed over by Airbnb, I welcome the meddling.

What was your experience with Airbnb?

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by jimvdv »

djbebs wrote: post #3

Shame that local councils are once again meddling in things they have no business being in.

I completely welcome this, the housing market is already very crowded here in Amsterdam. Investors buying houses just to rent them out to tourist all year round? No thanks, give people affordable homes first.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by V-2 »

hihihihi1234 wrote: post #34
jikbd wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah… who are the owners of a flat to decide what to do with it, eh?

So you'd have no problem if your neighbours turned their flat into a brothel and a meth lab? Because that's the logical extension of your argument.

I'd have the exact same problem if the owner of the flat turned into a meth lab (or throwing loud parties or whatever) did pay all the taxes.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by locallost »

jikbd wrote: post #7
difosfor wrote: post #4

Good riddance

Yeah… who are the owners of a flat to decide what to do with it, eh?

There are tons of limitations to what you can do with your property. E.g. you can own land but can't build a house if the land is not zoned for it. Even the meaning of property has changed over the centuries. It's no longer acceptable to own a human being, which was a contested idea not too long ago. It's the people that make a society that decide what they want the rules to be. Good for the people of Amsterdam that they don't accept man made "realities" on what can or can't be done.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by V-2 »

yreg wrote: post #32
gerikson wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A flat owner is not an atomic actor. If you purchase a flat, it's under the implicit assumption that you or your family will be the only ones occupying it. I live in Sweden and most "condo" associations (bostadsrätt) have rules regarding short-term hires and subletting. I imagine it is the same in the Netherlands.

>If you purchase a flat, it's under the implicit assumption There might be such implicit assumption somewhere, but it for sure isn't a general one. I for one don't have any such expectations regarding the neighbours in my condo. (I don't live in Sweden/Netherlands though.)

I, for one, am renting, so if my neighbors expected my landlord would live at the flat with his family - then my wife, my newborn son and I are certainly failing to meet their implicit assumptions.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by factorialboy »

bennysomething wrote: post #42
nikanj wrote: post #9

So essentially 80% were not properly registered and paying taxes? I’m not that surprised, once a good double-digit number are cheating, cheating becomes the only viable way to remain competitive.

What evidence do you having for cheating being only way to remain competitive? What exactly do you mean by cheating?

If I don't pay taxes, I can pass some of those "savings" to the customer, thus beating the competition on price.

If you must compete, you must avoid taxes, thus cheat.

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by mellavora »

jikbd wrote: post #7
difosfor wrote: post #4

Good riddance

Yeah… who are the owners of a flat to decide what to do with it, eh?

I might have more sympathy for the flat owners if they:

- had proper insurance on their properties to protect the guests

- maintained the property according to the health and safety guidelines proscribed by law

- had a license for their business activity

- paid the appropriate taxes for this additional income

Re: Airbnb removes 80% of advertisements in Amsterdam after registration obligation

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

jikbd wrote: post #7
difosfor wrote: post #4

Good riddance

Yeah… who are the owners of a flat to decide what to do with it, eh?

Yeah! If a landlord wants to put up tourists in leaky slum houses for €250 a night that should be their right! It's their own fault for trusting an online advert, right?

Hotels have rules, regulations and need to be inspected according to hotel rules in terms of safety, hygiene and price rules. Rentals have rules and regulations related to basic standards of living, pricing, and again, safety and hygiene.

Airbnb allowed landlords to rent out substandard temporary housing, skirting around laws covering both hotels and rentals as well as relevant taxes. In part, they are responsible for the housing crisis.

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