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Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by smegcicle » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 1:50 AM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #124

m0zg wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't need to watch 11 year old girls crotches to find sexualization of prepubescent children strongly objectionable.

If you haven't watched it, on what basis do you assert that the characterization of it as “sexualization of prepubescent children” is at all valid? I haven't watched it, and have no specific opinion, but I certainly do know that many times when I’ve seen characterization of objectionable content in media it wasn't supported by a reasonable viewing of the media.

you don't have to have watched it to see how it was marketed

'preteen sexual exploration' doesn't need to be a socially acceptable form of entertainment

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by tablespoon » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 1:53 AM UTC

lkey wrote: post #67

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only positive mainstream review I’ve seen of his special was not all that positive, but that it was really a Rorschach test for your political leanings. What are the chances not one mainstream outlet had a positive review, was it really that unfunny? He makes jokes about Jews, and Blacks, and Whites, that are completely overshadowed by Twitter (which is not a real place) claiming it was entirely anti-trans. No on…

More black trans women were violently murdered in 2020 than in any other year since HRC began tracking. https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-tra... 2021 is looking to surpass that... Part of his criticism was centered around how the 'alphabet people' have made rapid strides, but that conveniently forgets that black people can be gay or trans too, and also haven't made the same gains white LGBTQ fo…

> This is a pet peeve of mine, but someone actually tell me which millionaire/billionaire actually remained 'cancelled' after being cancelled.

From what I gather, Louis CK and Garrison Keillor are still cancelled (e.g. reduced to releasing stuff on their own personal websites).

Also, the kind of people who get canceled are entertainers and academics, and few if any of those are billionaires. I'm not even sure how "canceling" a billionaire would even work.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by clairity » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 1:53 AM UTC

bko wrote: post #107

clairity wrote: post #95

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you've got the importances inverted. letting companies do as they please is no way to run a society. people first, then companies. it's this sort of inversion that's gotten us into the mess of a society we're facing now.

I disagree. You need strong leadership in an organization. You can't run an organization with 10k employees where any employee can hold you hostage and refuse to work if they disagree with any decision made.

strong leadership can tolerate disagreement and critique. it’s weak leadership, of which we have an overabundance, that cannot. you advocate coercion, which is the favored tool of weak leadership.

also, it’s a fallacy that the senior managers of an organization (at least successful ones) “run” it. at best, they have outsize influence.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by foxes » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 1:53 AM UTC

Stop paying attention to Twitter.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by analognoise » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 1:54 AM UTC

acdha wrote: post #126

analognoise wrote: post #100

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It was six days after being dragged by Trans Twitter, according to Dave. Why engage with the jackals who drive one of their own to suicide and claim to have a negative opinion but won't watch the special? Why give them any special treatment?

Most of the stories point to this August 29th tweet: https://twitter.com/DaphneDorman/status/1166937728681791488 Maybe that dragged on, maybe there’s some private messages he heard about which aren’t public but the main point was simply that it seems like a politically convenient stretch to state with certainty that the blame goes entirely to an undefined “mob” rather than any of the other factors her friends and fam…

This is the same family that agreed with their friendship, and supported Dave talking about her story and their friendship?

Sounds like we know who the real assholes in this whole thing are, and it's NOT Dave Chappelle.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by jml78 » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 1:56 AM UTC

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #42

sxp wrote: post #12

For those who haven't seen the special, the core of the controversy appears to be Chappelle mourning his friend, Daphne Dorman. She was a transgender standup comedian who opened for Chappelle and defended his comedy against the Twitter mob. She killed herself shortly after she was canceled by the mob and Chappelle set up a trust fund for her daughter. Chappelle paid tribute to her in his special, but he did it in an…

The only positive mainstream review I’ve seen of his special was not all that positive, but that it was really a Rorschach test for your political leanings. What are the chances not one mainstream outlet had a positive review, was it really that unfunny? He makes jokes about Jews, and Blacks, and Whites, that are completely overshadowed by Twitter (which is not a real place) claiming it was entirely anti-trans. No on…

Here is how I took it. I watched it the day it came out before I read the outrage.

I am a southern raised white male. I have seen Dave live. I HAD been a fan of his stuff. I had some issues with his comedy in the past but nothing that made me avoid it.

However, this special rang different to me.

This special felt the same as white dudes I have heard my entire life. White dudes who would say racist shit and turn around to say they aren’t racist because they have black friends.

I felt Dave did the exact same with his trans friend. He used that friendship to try to shield his comedy.

Look, Dave doesn’t need our money. He doesn’t need any fucking person supporting him. Dude has so much money it doesn’t matter. So I do wonder why so many people are so desperately trying to defend transphobic comedy routines?

Stand away from the comedian and take a stand on what Dave’s actual views are. Own them yourself and defend those views. I think in 20 years you will look back and realize you held shitty views or at least society will

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by anonu » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 1:57 AM UTC

danShumway wrote: post #72

anonu wrote: post #38

Its really tough being a comedian. Generally, in society there are lines drawn over which you must not cross. Comedians typically get to push those boundaries under the guise of comedy or free-thinking or equal-opportunity racism or bigotry. Generally, I am totally supportive of that as it is thought-provoking and conversation inducing. It's better to bring uncomfortable subjects out into the open and make fun of the…

> Let the free-markets determine who should be cancelled. What would that look like though? I think there's a somewhat valid conversation to be had about cancel culture, but this point comes up over and over, and I'm constantly wondering: if people criticizing speech in public places like Twitter isn't the free market, and Netflix employees collectively advocating that they don't want to host the speech isn't the fre…

> What would that look like though?

Certainly not through 1000 Netflix employees representing the free-market.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by pseudo0 » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 1:57 AM UTC

lkey wrote: post #67

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only positive mainstream review I’ve seen of his special was not all that positive, but that it was really a Rorschach test for your political leanings. What are the chances not one mainstream outlet had a positive review, was it really that unfunny? He makes jokes about Jews, and Blacks, and Whites, that are completely overshadowed by Twitter (which is not a real place) claiming it was entirely anti-trans. No on…

More black trans women were violently murdered in 2020 than in any other year since HRC began tracking. https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-tra... 2021 is looking to surpass that... Part of his criticism was centered around how the 'alphabet people' have made rapid strides, but that conveniently forgets that black people can be gay or trans too, and also haven't made the same gains white LGBTQ fo…

It's rather disingenuous to point at the increase in murders like that, given how 2020 saw a huge spike in murders year over year for the general population.

So 44 trans people were murdered in 2020, out of a total of 21,570 in the US [0]. Estimates for the trans population range from 0.39% [1] to 0.58% [2].

That's about 2-3x lower than we'd expect, as a population of that size with an equivalent murder rate would have 84-125 homicides per year.

If we zoom in on black trans people and compare them to the black population as a whole, 27 were murdered compared to 9,941 for the black population [3]. Doing a bit of napkin math, and with the assumption that the rate of transgender identification is the same in the black and non-black populations, and using 46.9 million for the black population, we get:

21.2 murders / 100k for the black population

16.2-24.1 murders / 100k for the black trans population (using 0.58% for the first figure, and 0.39% for the second).

So the surprising conclusion seems to be that the trans population has a significantly lower homicide victimization rate compared to the general population, and black trans population has a slightly lower rate than the black population.

And if anything, I'd expect this gap to expand once correcting for age (the trans population skews younger) and the rapid increase in trans identification over the few years.

[0] - https://www.statista.com/statistics/191134/reported-murder-a...

[1] - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5227946/

[2] - https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/transgender...

[3] - https://crime-data-explorer.app.cloud.gov/pages/explorer/cri...

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by clairity » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 1:58 AM UTC

bawolff wrote: post #120

bko wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. You need strong leadership in an organization. You can't run an organization with 10k employees where any employee can hold you hostage and refuse to work if they disagree with any decision made.

Any employee can refuse to work. Its called quitting. That's a very different thing than this of course, which is based around the idea, its not worth it to fire them all.

so coercive tactics by companies against employees is ok but not the reverse? again, that’s a perverse inversion, against the common interests of society at large. corporations are chartered by the government as a means to direct their efforts toward the common good. they’re not natural entities, and we should be way more willing to revoke those charters for the betterment of society.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by rsj_hn » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 1:59 AM UTC

stjohnswarts wrote: post #75

sxp wrote: post #12

For those who haven't seen the special, the core of the controversy appears to be Chappelle mourning his friend, Daphne Dorman. She was a transgender standup comedian who opened for Chappelle and defended his comedy against the Twitter mob. She killed herself shortly after she was canceled by the mob and Chappelle set up a trust fund for her daughter. Chappelle paid tribute to her in his special, but he did it in an…

Cancel culture is out of control really. That said these people have a bad reason to strike but they have to be allowed to strike and netflix has to be allowed to fire them if they want to. It's just the way free society goes. Freedom has consequences.

They are not a union and are not "striking".

Even if they were a union, they wouldn't be allowed to strike in order to force their employer to deplatform someone, they could only strike to get a contract. If they have a contract, they can't strike.