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Remote sensing reveals Antarctic green snow algae as important carbon sink

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Re: Remote sensing reveals Antarctic green snow algae as important carbon sink

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This is unnecessary doomerism. Yes our situation is not exactly the brightest but is doomposting on HN really the best action you can take? Humans will still be around to see the planet warm. The question is will individuals & society band together to limit that warming & adapt?

First step to solving a problem is acknowledging that the problem exists. It feels like you have yet to take that first step.

No, they did take that step. But the very next step is correctly scoping the problem. It's the one at which so many people fail.

Re: Remote sensing reveals Antarctic green snow algae as important carbon sink

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It was the rise of phytoplankton that created the atmosphere necessary for human life. It will be the collapse of the phytoplankton that will eliminate the the atmosphere necessary for human life. Humans won’t be around to see the planet warm.

The paper claims the opposite, instead of a collapse of phytoplakton there will (likely) be an increase:

> Our study indicates that positive summer temperatures and a sufficient nutrient supply are key factors determining the present-day distribution of green snow algae on the Antarctic Peninsula. With the IPCC’s projected 1.5 °C global temperature increase, it is predicted that the 0 °C isotherm will increase in elevation and that positive degree days will become more commonplace and occur further to the south. This will likely open up new snow for colonisation by green snow algae, should an appropriate dispersal mechanism allow transfer to new areas. [...]

> A warming Peninsula, therefore, may see a shift towards fewer, larger snow algae blooms, resulting in a significant increase in biomass on larger outlying islands and the mainland. The coupled loss of blooms from smaller islands would be insignificant with respect to biomass and may be mitigated by southward range expansion or an earlier growth season. However, with multiple and often unknown species recorded within patches of green snow algae, and little known about the dispersal mechanisms, life cycles and plasticity of snow algal species, losses from these islands could represent a reduction of terrestrial diversity for the Antarctic Peninsula.

Re: Remote sensing reveals Antarctic green snow algae as important carbon sink

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To anyone who is gearing up to doompost: the abstract says this is likely a negative feedback counteracting warming and carbon rise.

In which case I would have to take a step back and think about the world for a bit. Is there a possibility when it gets warmer / more carbon rich, the carbon-hungry microbes go to town, reducing temperatures (*eventually, maybe not over time periods important to humans?)

If the world's microbiome is geared to maintaining (rather than merely existing in / responding to) temperatures and atmospheric gas ratios within a fine margin that would be noteworthy.

I've probably drunk too much and it's too late at night for this conversation to be honest. I probably shouldn't have even pressed "reply".

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To anyone who is gearing up to doompost: the abstract says this is likely a negative feedback counteracting warming and carbon rise.

In which case I would have to take a step back and think about the world for a bit. Is there a possibility when it gets warmer / more carbon rich, the carbon-hungry microbes go to town, reducing temperatures (*eventually, maybe not over time periods important to humans?) If the world's microbiome is geared to maintaining (rather than merely existing in / responding to) temperatures and atmospheric gas ratios within a…

This is a good question! And it’s clear youre not asking this in bad faith (the line of thinking that CO2 is good for humanity & the planet is a common climate misinformation tactic)

I’m not an expert on this stuff but from what I’ve read over the course of millennium. The Earth will achieve balance again (assuming no further human intervention)

For all practical reasons that won’t work for us. Using microbes as a carbon removal solution is a real potential solution! Specifically using microbes in place of fertilizers as a technique to improve soil health (which would increase soil organic carbon). Although it’s not 100% clear how well that carbon will be stored for the long term.

I’m oversimplifying the science no doubt but we can harness microbes to our benefit.

Re: Remote sensing reveals Antarctic green snow algae as important carbon sink

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To anyone who is gearing up to doompost: the abstract says this is likely a negative feedback counteracting warming and carbon rise.

Also, we aren't necessarily doomed if we were willing to actually try anything.

No one wants to try nuclear for reals because people are frightened of it and world governments don't have an economic interest in building more nuclear.

We don't have an equivalent of an "operation warp speed" for developing next-gen CO2 scrubbing technology. I guess that's just not as cool to people as building tunnels under LA or launching cars into space.

Speaking of algae, we're not turning wasteland into algae farming ponds and developing more useful algae because, well, I don't really know. Even with CRISPR-Cas9 being in relative infancy, GMO algae seems like a low hanging fruit for not only removing carbon from the atmosphere but being a food source in places around the world where food is scarce. I mean, as an individual you can buy a kit that has what you need to genetically modify yeast to glow with jellyfish genes, so how far off are we from making species like chlorella more practical? Maybe it's because nobody wants to eat pond scum.

All I know is that the amount of effort we are putting into these solutions, although there is some effort in each of them, really doesn't add up to the message we are being told about climate change. It's both extremely disappointing and cause for raised eyebrows.

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In which case I would have to take a step back and think about the world for a bit. Is there a possibility when it gets warmer / more carbon rich, the carbon-hungry microbes go to town, reducing temperatures (*eventually, maybe not over time periods important to humans?) If the world's microbiome is geared to maintaining (rather than merely existing in / responding to) temperatures and atmospheric gas ratios within a…

This is a good question! And it’s clear youre not asking this in bad faith (the line of thinking that CO2 is good for humanity & the planet is a common climate misinformation tactic) I’m not an expert on this stuff but from what I’ve read over the course of millennium. The Earth will achieve balance again (assuming no further human intervention) For all practical reasons that won’t work for us. Using microbes as a ca…

No for sure I'm strongly of the mind that greenhouse gases do their job in creating a greenhouse, which increases temperature over time (which means more energy in the global system, which means everything from stronger storms to longer droughts...)

As a layperson I've read about the Vostok cores and understand how closely correlated CO2 concentrations and dust are as proxies for global temperature. Also I've read up on how phytoplankton essentially are the reason we have oxygen to breathe, so there are risks like ocean acidification that could kill us all regardless of temperature.

If some of those little buggers can give us an out or at least give us a longer grace period to sort our stuff out, I want in.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a good question! And it’s clear youre not asking this in bad faith (the line of thinking that CO2 is good for humanity & the planet is a common climate misinformation tactic) I’m not an expert on this stuff but from what I’ve read over the course of millennium. The Earth will achieve balance again (assuming no further human intervention) For all practical reasons that won’t work for us. Using microbes as a ca…

No for sure I'm strongly of the mind that greenhouse gases do their job in creating a greenhouse, which increases temperature over time (which means more energy in the global system, which means everything from stronger storms to longer droughts...) As a layperson I've read about the Vostok cores and understand how closely correlated CO2 concentrations and dust are as proxies for global temperature. Also I've read up…

(edit: but I almost forgot - it would be mindblowing if it turned out the Earth was somehow tuned to bring itself back to some average. The millions of different chemical combinations and seasonal variations all mediated by the ecosystem - which seems rather fragile but what if it was brutally rigid. I guess it's had a couple of billion years to gear itself up?)

Re: Remote sensing reveals Antarctic green snow algae as important carbon sink

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To anyone who is gearing up to doompost: the abstract says this is likely a negative feedback counteracting warming and carbon rise.

Also, we aren't necessarily doomed if we were willing to actually try anything. No one wants to try nuclear for reals because people are frightened of it and world governments don't have an economic interest in building more nuclear. We don't have an equivalent of an "operation warp speed" for developing next-gen CO2 scrubbing technology. I guess that's just not as cool to people as building tunnels under LA or launc…

Nuclear is not dead: French President Emmanuel Macron announced a shift to small modular nuclear reactors https://www.france24.com/en/france/20211013-france-unveils-n...

Re: Remote sensing reveals Antarctic green snow algae as important carbon sink

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No for sure I'm strongly of the mind that greenhouse gases do their job in creating a greenhouse, which increases temperature over time (which means more energy in the global system, which means everything from stronger storms to longer droughts...) As a layperson I've read about the Vostok cores and understand how closely correlated CO2 concentrations and dust are as proxies for global temperature. Also I've read up…

(edit: but I almost forgot - it would be mindblowing if it turned out the Earth was somehow tuned to bring itself back to some average. The millions of different chemical combinations and seasonal variations all mediated by the ecosystem - which seems rather fragile but what if it was brutally rigid. I guess it's had a couple of billion years to gear itself up?)

It basically already is tuned to maintain an average, just as a buffer solution can oppose changes in pH. It maintains a temperature level above what we'd otherwise expect, and our unnatural oxygen atmosphere.

If we do nothing, it is unlikely to run away, but it will take rather longer than a human timescale to put it back to a comfortable level, and there could be a lot of damage over the next century.

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