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Re: An underwater mystery on Canada's coast

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Re: An underwater mystery on Canada's coast

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There are a number of fish traps along the coast of Southern Africa http://fynbosstrand.yolasite.com/visvywers.php

They exist all over Australia too. Some of them are thought to be amongst the oldest examples of human construction on Earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewarrina_Aboriginal_Fish_Tra...

Re: An underwater mystery on Canada's coast

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To the best of my understanding, B.C. circa 1800 can be described as 'patchwork of sovereign micro-ethnic groups in rugged terrain' Europe microstates: Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, Vatican, Liechtenstein, Faeroe, maybe Iceland and Luxembourg. Relics of times long past, historical curiosities. Papua NewGuinea: 832 living languages, presumably each with an independent history tracing hundreds if not thousands of years.…

>> B.C. circa 1800 can be described as 'patchwork of sovereign micro-ethnic groups in rugged terrain So was Appalachia at that time. So too were the expanses of Russia. So too was even Ireland. Pretty much every 17/1800s settled territory without a nearby railroad was composed of tightly-knit micro-ethic groupings. That doesn't meant they were not also part of a larger nation.

That's definitely not true of Ireland in the 19th or even 18th century. Nothing could be farther from the truth - Ireland at that time was a centrally (and externally) managed state much closer to a modern state than anything described in this thread.

Re: An underwater mystery on Canada's coast

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>> B.C. circa 1800 can be described as 'patchwork of sovereign micro-ethnic groups in rugged terrain So was Appalachia at that time. So too were the expanses of Russia. So too was even Ireland. Pretty much every 17/1800s settled territory without a nearby railroad was composed of tightly-knit micro-ethic groupings. That doesn't meant they were not also part of a larger nation.

Roads and canals do fine for knitting together a nation in the cultural and political sense of the word, and for enforcing/dispensing all the fruits of central government. Europe in the early 1800s was less homogeneous than today, perhaps, but it's strange to claim that areas without nearby rail service were a 'patchwork of sovereign micro-ethnic groups'.

And in places like BC, the water network linked everyone.

Re: An underwater mystery on Canada's coast

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This should be the link at the top. The BBC article doesn't even have a picture of the remnants of the stakes!

BBC News articles are mostly now written by AI pulling from other newsfeeds. It's only really good enough for the 80% who don't actually care about news, information, or actually learning anything.

Source? If a major respected journalism outfit was using AI to generate stories I think that would be news itself, and I haven't heard it, outside of the corner-case of within-seconds earthquake reporting.

Re: An underwater mystery on Canada's coast

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BBC News articles are mostly now written by AI pulling from other newsfeeds. It's only really good enough for the 80% who don't actually care about news, information, or actually learning anything.

Source? If a major respected journalism outfit was using AI to generate stories I think that would be news itself, and I haven't heard it, outside of the corner-case of within-seconds earthquake reporting.

- https://wan-ifra.org/2021/06/how-bbc-news-labs-uses-ai-power...

- https://artificialintelligence-news.com/2017/10/19/bbc-ai-im...

- https://techhq.com/2019/12/machines-wrote-the-bbcs-uk-electi...

Re: An underwater mystery on Canada's coast

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BBC News articles are mostly now written by AI pulling from other newsfeeds. It's only really good enough for the 80% who don't actually care about news, information, or actually learning anything.

Source? If a major respected journalism outfit was using AI to generate stories I think that would be news itself, and I haven't heard it, outside of the corner-case of within-seconds earthquake reporting.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ap-expands-relation...

> The Associated Press has selected Data Skrive as its preferred platform for automated sports and gambling content. The increased breadth of content provides AP customers more inventory of local-focused sports and gambling news. The AP expects the expansion of content to help both small and large publishers attract new subscribers and grow audience.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/business/media/artificial...

> Roughly a third of the content published by Bloomberg News uses some form of automated technology. The system used by the company, Cyborg, is able to assist reporters in churning out thousands of articles on company earnings reports each quarter.

> The program can dissect a financial report the moment it appears and spit out an immediate news story that includes the most pertinent facts and figures. And unlike business reporters, who find working on that kind of thing a snooze, it does so without complaint.

> In addition to covering company earnings for Bloomberg, robot reporters have been prolific producers of articles on minor league baseball for The Associated Press, high school football for The Washington Post and earthquakes for The Los Angeles Times.

> Last week, The Guardian’s Australia edition published its first machine-assisted article, an account of annual political donations to the country’s political parties. And Forbes recently announced that it was testing a tool called Bertie to provide reporters with rough drafts and story templates.

It's all over the place now.

Re: An underwater mystery on Canada's coast

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There are a number of fish traps along the coast of Southern Africa http://fynbosstrand.yolasite.com/visvywers.php

They exist all over Australia too. Some of them are thought to be amongst the oldest examples of human construction on Earth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewarrina_Aboriginal_Fish_Tra...

Really interesting, the history of humans is constantly surprising.

Re: An underwater mystery on Canada's coast

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roads and canals do fine for knitting together a nation in the cultural and political sense of the word, and for enforcing/dispensing all the fruits of central government. Europe in the early 1800s was less homogeneous than today, perhaps, but it's strange to claim that areas without nearby rail service were a 'patchwork of sovereign micro-ethnic groups'.

And in places like BC, the water network linked everyone.

It didn't link everyone into centrally run sovereign nation states, though, which I thought was what we were talking about.
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