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Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Post by spurgu »

djhn wrote: post #70
soylentnewsorg wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are exhibiting google's mistake, caused by over educated people with zero real experience thinking they know better. Or, I should correct that - some code they wrote knows better than the complex brain of the actual person. This results in "AI" (big if/then loop) trying to figure it out, and completely blocking any input from the customer. Here's the issue with "inferred from other activity." You know how you can…

I don't disagree with you but that last bit was quite unnecessary.

Not necessarily, if he otherwise were to leave and go screw up another company's product without ever learning his lesson.

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Post by notyourwork »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #27
notyourwork wrote: post #2

I work in this industry and actually we’ve found from online experimentation customers generally don’t want to tell you they dislike something. The expectation is customers get what they like (relevant) and sometimes they want to express stronger affinity for specific things. The converse hasn’t shown to be true. Generally customers don’t have a clear picture of how their explicit signals impact recommendations. Thou…

You are exhibiting google's mistake, caused by over educated people with zero real experience thinking they know better. Or, I should correct that - some code they wrote knows better than the complex brain of the actual person. This results in "AI" (big if/then loop) trying to figure it out, and completely blocking any input from the customer. Here's the issue with "inferred from other activity." You know how you can…

> What this results in, is you have an inferior product, your customers leave, then you leave and go screw up another company's product without ever learning your lesson.

I'm not sure what you're suggesting and I don't need to qualify my experience in the software industry or within the domain of recommenders and personalization.

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Post by vanilla_nut »

jcastro wrote: post #14
simlevesque wrote: post #4

I'll never use Spotify again. My account was hacked by a latino and now my recommendations is 100% latin music. They told me there is nothing they can do to fix this. My recommendations are broken and my only option is to create another account, cancel my subscription, buy it again... Not gonna happen.

I found out you can break your recommendations without losing control of your account. I listened to one podcast episode and it's been stuck on my home screen for two months. I've tried listening to it, ignoring it, unsubscribing, deleting (you can't!). It's just there forever now. And of course, that means it's always recommending related podcasts all the time so most of my homepage is now filled with this stuff and…

I’ve never listened to a podcast ever on Spotify. Refuse to, given their approach of trying to wall off podcasts in their own app.

I’ve had an entire top-level list of podcasts recommended to me for over a YEAR now. I will never use it, but I have to constantly scroll past it and dodge podcast recommendations in new podcast + music playlists (that aren’t clearly marked) as well.

I used to love Spotify. I got so many friends to sign up, I discovered so much music in my Discover Weekly, I convinced friends to switch from all kinds of other platforms, I built collaborative playlists with friends…

but the recommendations seem stuck in a rut for me, probably because they can’t handle the size of my library (hundreds of artists and thousands of albums that I listen to regularly). The product doesn’t respect me. I’m actively researching ways to host my own music library and use something else for discovery. Recommendations welcome so this frog can escape this slowly boiling pot.

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Post by Omniusaspirer »

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #76
oneplane wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple Music does this for half that price. - Rating and tagging - Upload and download your own stuff if you want to (marketed as iCloud Music Library) - Works offline - Discovery services available - API exists but mostly used to implement web players for some reason, works fine in desktop apps too, on top of that the current state of your music library is always available as an XML file even when you don't use the A…

Is it a true upload or some crappy file/fingerprint matching? Most of these services aren't ever true uploads and do matching to save time, bandwidth and space.

It's fingerprint matching, and yeah it's poorly implemented. Most recent complaints I've seen on this were for the fan made explicit version of Kanye's Donda. It was basically impossible to upload since it would just get matched to the clean version.

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Post by lethologica »

jcastro wrote: post #14
simlevesque wrote: post #4

I'll never use Spotify again. My account was hacked by a latino and now my recommendations is 100% latin music. They told me there is nothing they can do to fix this. My recommendations are broken and my only option is to create another account, cancel my subscription, buy it again... Not gonna happen.

I found out you can break your recommendations without losing control of your account. I listened to one podcast episode and it's been stuck on my home screen for two months. I've tried listening to it, ignoring it, unsubscribing, deleting (you can't!). It's just there forever now. And of course, that means it's always recommending related podcasts all the time so most of my homepage is now filled with this stuff and…

Argh, I’ve been having this exact issue too. Worse still, it’s a thumbnail and title I would really rather not be plastered front and centre of my home screen all the time! Absolutely frustrating.

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Post by mjmsmith »

Groxx wrote: post #30

I have really been hoping for a spotify-API-driven recommendation engine to improve this kind of thing. Which is why I've been scrobbling to last.fm for over a decade. One algorithm will never work for everyone. Even if it's one of the best in aggregate , that doesn't mean it's not awful for me. It's not feasible (nor does it make business sense) for Spotify to identify and build the best system for each individual u…

Me too. I still find more interesting stuff by following last.fm recommendations than anywhere else. Apple Music knows the 10k songs that are in my library and its suggestions are still meh.

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Post by aeyes »

psKama wrote: post #90
jorgesborges wrote: post #22

So basically they’re developing a product marketed to streaming platforms to identify what’s “more attractive” to consumers. The algorithms are still optimized for increasing sales and engagement, not improving recommendations (for the user). That’s exactly why I’m unhappy with Spotify lately. I feel I’m being sold a bunch of corporate portfolios on what’s currently in vogue, and not just artistically but politically…

That's the exact reason I switched to YouTube Music. I remember even about 10 years ago, last.fm's algorithm on bringing songs I would enjoy basing on previously listened/liked songs was far more accurate than Spotify's today.

Does the algorithm of YouTube Music behave similar to standard YouTube? YouTube (not Music) basically always recommends the same tracks in the same order and within the same genre bubble. It is hard to discover anything new which makes me not want to try YouTube Music.

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Post by IshKebab »

krn wrote: post #82
greggman3 wrote: post #54

I cancelled spotify recently when I had a guest in my car who proceeded to play all her favorite music on my account. I wanted to remove her music from my history so spotify would hopefully not recommend her music to me but there is no way to delete your history https://community.spotify.com/t5/Your-Library/2021-how-do-we... Account deleted. I know I'm not the norm but Spotify has never done a good job for me recomme…

> I cancelled spotify recently when I had a guest in my car who proceeded to play all her favorite music on my account. There should be an Incognito mode on every music streaming service for this reason.

Yeah I made the mistake of letting my daughter watch nursery rhymes on YouTube a few times. Guess what happened to my YouTube Music....
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