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Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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To the many people coming here to comment about why she had personal apps on a work phone: Some Apple employees are reportedly required to link their personal iCloud with their work account/devices. https://www.theverge.com/22648265/apple-employee-privacy-icl...

Stop spreading misinformation. People have always had the ability to create work-specific accounts for use on corporate devices. I’m shocked that it’s not common knowledge that corporate devices are NOT yours, and you basically cede all rights to data on and usage of the devices. Never use a work device for non-work purposes unless you are fine with those non-work activities being 100% visible to your employer.

I know misinformation feels good since it supports a narrative, but everyone benefits from accuracy and honesty.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Apple fires employee -> likely employee’s fault. FB, Goog, Amazon, MS fire an employee -> they are terrible companies. HN’s biases are infuriating. Replace Apple with Facebook or Google and everyone will have their pitchforks out.

Bruh we bag on Apple constantly about Right to Repair, their app store monopoly, and destroyed them over their phone scanning shit. We regularly BEAT on Apple. Obviously the app we all noticed was...Google Drive in that list! /Edited: I forgot, we also bag on them constantly about WFH, and their piss poor record with bug bounties. There are probably some I'm forgetting.

HN as a whole only very recently started to "beat" on Apple. Before 2021 it was a lot of "well maybe there are two sides to Apple curb stomping both devs and users."

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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post #6

I’m curious how Pokémon Go and her (presumably personal) Robinhood account were pertinent to whatever investigation they were conducting. Regardless, I find it hard to believe she “deleted” anything. Removed it from the phone, perhaps, but I’m willing to bet Apple is more than capable of accessing whatever investigative information they need on the phones they provide to their employees.

> I’m curious how Pokémon Go and her (presumably personal) Robinhood account were pertinent to whatever investigation they were conducting Her work phone is pertinent to the investigation, and I'm more curious how she thought it was a good idea to have her personal Pokémon Go and Robinhood accounts on her work phone. Edit: Incoming downvotes but this will stand — a work phone is not your phone ! You should not be tru…

My personal policy on something like Robinhood is it's OK if it's tied to my benefits, so 401(k) or RSUs; expecting to engage in benefits activity on a work device is reasonable. I also expect that any company spying into those apps/websites is overstepping bounds, though I'm not sure how this would hold up in court. Robinhood is also more a legal Bovada than Fidelity though, and of all apps, it's not especially pertinent.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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post #14

I guess I’m just old school but I come from a time when I’d be fired for any negative public or even internal comments. And I’m ok with that. I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. Or I’d start a company and do it my way. I just don’t see leadership being convinced by me complaining on Twitter or starting an internal complaint slack c…

It's devastating that this is the top opinion coming from here. The "If you don't like it just leave" stance, whether talking about working for a company or living in a country, is so dismissive of the people who see issues and have the courage to try and change things to make it better for others.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some Apple employees are reportedly required to link their personal iCloud with their work account/devices, so there's probably no bright line there. It could have been a personal device that was linked to her work account, or a work device linked to her personal iCloud. https://www.theverge.com/22648265/apple-employee-privacy-icl...

Keep your work phone separate from your personal phone: This simple dictum has served me well. Enmeshing your work and personal lives on the same device, complete with MDM policies, can wreak havoc, and it’s not just about maintaining boundaries between work and personal time. My decision to carry two devices has proved to be a lifesaver during the pandemic wherein boundaries between life and work have been blurred a…

> Keep your work phone separate from your personal phone

Especially if your employer owns the phone or pays the bill.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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post #66
post #42

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> What if you found every other company were the same way? Then make your own company, or failing that, start to think critically about why every company is structured in the way it is. Maybe others have tried it your way and it didn't work? > That's like telling somebody living in a monarchy that if they want influence over their lives, they just have to marry into the royal family. Luckily, because of the freedom t…

to continue in that metaphor, it's worth noting that here and most anywhere with something resembling "the freedom this country offers" was formerly a monarchy in which people thinking critically about the way it was structured started causing chaos and sowing discontent, so they could try this other way that people didn't think would work. say about that what you will. it's not surprising that efforts are being made…

> it's not surprising that efforts are being made today to decentralize power within the private sphere and create broader rights and democratic management of capital.

So does Joe the plumber whom you hired to fix the sink now have rights to determine how your household is run? Does he and Jimmy the electrician (who wired up the place) get to vote on who can live in your house or what the household budget should be spent on?

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

to continue in that metaphor, it's worth noting that here and most anywhere with something resembling "the freedom this country offers" was formerly a monarchy in which people thinking critically about the way it was structured started causing chaos and sowing discontent, so they could try this other way that people didn't think would work. say about that what you will. it's not surprising that efforts are being made…

> Democratic management of capital That’s probably the best euphemism I’ve heard since “enhanced interrogation techniques”

That could just mean worker co-ops. What's so scary about Mondragón?

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

#138
post #22

To the many people coming here to comment about why she had personal apps on a work phone: Some Apple employees are reportedly required to link their personal iCloud with their work account/devices. https://www.theverge.com/22648265/apple-employee-privacy-icl...

Stop spreading misinformation. People have always had the ability to create work-specific accounts for use on corporate devices. I’m shocked that it’s not common knowledge that corporate devices are NOT yours, and you basically cede all rights to data on and usage of the devices. Never use a work device for non-work purposes unless you are fine with those non-work activities being 100% visible to your employer. I kno…

It is a fact that many people "live on" their work devices as if they are their personal devices. I havent ever heard that be a requirement though, it just happens to be the way people use it

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Not a good look for Apple. I understand Apple wanting to maintain their culture of secrecy about their products but their PR and HR people should know that the culture certainly does not have to extend to internal personnel issues. Why should we trust them when they do stuff like this? Even if she was acting improperly w.r.t. company proprietary information I'd have thought that competent PR folk would know to never…

I think Apple knows you're not going out and buying an Android device over this.

No, but it puts-off people from considering Apple as a potential employer.

I'm not a member of any notable minority group so I'm not really affected, but if a female colleague asked me their opinion of Apple as an employer then I'd point them to articles like this.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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post #70
post #8

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That's just there for the sympathetic headlines — she deleted Google Drive as well, and we can all easily imagine what that suggests. I think a good rule as an employee is "if instructed to hand over your phone as part of an investigation, don't delete stuff before doing so."

> don't delete stuff before doing so. I would certainly delete personal information if present on said phone, don't want some other corporate freaks to go through my stuff. Fuck it, I would have done it if instead of Apple it had been the Securitate (I'm from Romania, grew up as a kid in the '80s), and come to think of it this advice of "obey your corporate masterlords" is kind of depressing in itself. We don't have…

You should not have personal stuff on a work phone in the first place.
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