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Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by mrRandomGuy »

da_big_ghey wrote: post #61
devwastaken wrote: post #33

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People are okay with that because they're in a position to not have to care. Perhaps apple is correct in that this was because of deleting things they were not supposed to - but individuals advocating for a culture of "apple can do whatever because it's a company" is nodding along to union busting talking points. Tech sector has been very fortunate in the past to not have to unionize, but now as the workforce grows e…

If I am in top 1% worker, and if union is generally flatten the salaries to make me receive less for others more, why should I not "nodding along on union busting talking points"? I like my very very large paycheck.

nice, it only took two comments before we got to the "my paycheck very big, union very bad, why I join union? tomorrow will be like today, I will always be big paycheck"

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by macinjosh »

pstuart wrote: post #71
da_big_ghey wrote: post #61

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If I am in top 1% worker, and if union is generally flatten the salaries to make me receive less for others more, why should I not "nodding along on union busting talking points"? I like my very very large paycheck.

That could be interpreted as "I've got mine, Jack. Why should I give a fuck about anybody else?" This raises the question: if you only care about yourself, why should we care about you?

Because he can do well regardless of how much you do or do not care for him.

Many people would very much appreciate it if other members of society cared less about them. Care is not required for humans to participate in a mutually beneficial society.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by croes »

da_big_ghey wrote: post #61
devwastaken wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are okay with that because they're in a position to not have to care. Perhaps apple is correct in that this was because of deleting things they were not supposed to - but individuals advocating for a culture of "apple can do whatever because it's a company" is nodding along to union busting talking points. Tech sector has been very fortunate in the past to not have to unionize, but now as the workforce grows e…

If I am in top 1% worker, and if union is generally flatten the salaries to make me receive less for others more, why should I not "nodding along on union busting talking points"? I like my very very large paycheck.

Next time you need help by others remember "Why should they?" Your paycheck become worthless if society gets fucked up.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

3grdlurker wrote: post #68
plorg wrote: post #60

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Depends what "promotes" means. They don't provide separate Apple accounts for employees, so among other things, if you don't link your personal account to your work phone you're either paying twice for any services or working with a hampered phone.

What do you mean by they don’t provide separate Apple accounts? You sign up for an Apple ID, you don’t wait for it to be provided to you. For example my employer doesn’t provide a work Github account… but while I have the option to use my personal one, I can also sign up for a separate one. Or do you mean to say that they can detect when an employee tries to sign up for a second account under the same personal info,…

> For example my employer doesn’t provide a work Github account… but while I have the option to use my personal one, I can also sign up for a separate one.

Apologizing for being the Well Actually Guy, but GitHub's terms of service include the line "One person or legal entity may maintain no more than one free Account". If your employer doesn't provide a work account for you or use Enterprise GitHub, then technically you can only have both a personal and a work account if one of them is paid. My suspicion is that GitHub doesn't go out of their way to enforce this, but it's there.

As far as Apple IDs go, there's absolutely nothing that prevents you from having multiple ones, though, no. I think I've had work Apple IDs in the past. You can also have separate Apple Store accounts and Apple ID accounts (which I do, although that's something of an accident of history in my case). While I've logged into my Apple Store account on a company-owned device so I could use some of my personal applications (ones that would be appropriate for work, for the record), I would absolutely not want to log into my personal Apple ID -- the one that accesses my personal mail, calendar, iCloud Drive, etc. -- on a company-owned device.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by thomasahle »

lowkey_ wrote: post #42
thomasahle wrote: post #24

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> I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. What if you found every other company were the same way? > Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. There are much fewer leadership positions than people in those companies. It can't be the general recommendation that if you want to make your workplace better you have to compete for one of a handful of positions. That's like telling s…

> What if you found every other company were the same way? Then make your own company, or failing that, start to think critically about why every company is structured in the way it is. Maybe others have tried it your way and it didn't work? > That's like telling somebody living in a monarchy that if they want influence over their lives, they just have to marry into the royal family. Luckily, because of the freedom t…

> If you decide to start causing chaos and sowing discontent in your current kingdom, then you may be kicked out of it.

You are right. It's hardly surprising. Most revolutions fail. Yet as outsiders we can appreciate the try, cheer on, or maybe even help (like the French did?) Maybe one day that help will be returned.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by fsckboy »

chovybizzass wrote: post #13

I should have started the IBMtoo movement. That place was rancid with harassment. My boss told my director not to come to work with a cane and to stay home until her (degenerative) illness was healed.

If that meant she'd still get paid, it sounds like a kindness.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #3

Not a good look for Apple. I understand Apple wanting to maintain their culture of secrecy about their products but their PR and HR people should know that the culture certainly does not have to extend to internal personnel issues. Why should we trust them when they do stuff like this? Even if she was acting improperly w.r.t. company proprietary information I'd have thought that competent PR folk would know to never…

> Even if she was acting improperly w.r.t. company proprietary information I'd have thought that competent PR folk would know to never fire someone in a position like this because there's no way the company can look good in the aftermath.

This is something I do wonder about. We've seen a fair number of cases recently of tech companies firing people who've publicly agitated for changes in the company culture and always claiming, "Oh, no, it's because they were leaking confidential information, it has nothing to do with them being activists." And, okay, I guess that's possible in each and every case, but as you said, not a good look.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by speedybird »

angry_octet wrote: post #78
speedybird wrote: post #72

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The denominator is easy, wikipedia tells me that is 147,000 (2020.) I'm wonder what the numerator is.

No that's wrong, because most of those people don't have the security to risk making a report.

How many is the numerator? That's all I'm asking; do you even know? There is a pretty big difference between 15 and 200. Which of those is more accurate? Is it even either of those?

What good is 'estimating' (read: bullshiting) another denominator if I don't even know what the numerator is?

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by kevingadd »

muzz wrote: post #79
paganel wrote: post #70

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> don't delete stuff before doing so. I would certainly delete personal information if present on said phone, don't want some other corporate freaks to go through my stuff. Fuck it, I would have done it if instead of Apple it had been the Securitate (I'm from Romania, grew up as a kid in the '80s), and come to think of it this advice of "obey your corporate masterlords" is kind of depressing in itself. We don't have…

Is logging out of those apps not sufficient enough?

You would need to delete the app for all your personal data to actually get wiped from your device. Otherwise things like photos, bank data, whatever are just sitting there in the cache directories for snoops to pull off the phone

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by asiachick »

objclxt wrote: post #73
da_big_ghey wrote: post #61

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If I am in top 1% worker, and if union is generally flatten the salaries to make me receive less for others more, why should I not "nodding along on union busting talking points"? I like my very very large paycheck.

> if union is generally flatten the salaries to make me receive less for others more Who says that’s what will happen? Tom Cruise is a member of SAG, do you think he gets paid SAG union rates? Union busters in tech have done a fantastic job of convincing engineers that all unions are blue-collar. Which is funny, because you only have to look to Hollywood to see unions like SAG, the DGA, and the WGA which exist to pro…

I don't have to see that at all. In fact here's a movie about how much those Hollywood Unions suck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5a_00YVVkQ#t=16m50s

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