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Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by ianai »

analognoise wrote: post #11
lowkey_ wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's just there for the sympathetic headlines — she deleted Google Drive as well, and we can all easily imagine what that suggests. I think a good rule as an employee is "if instructed to hand over your phone as part of an investigation, don't delete stuff before doing so."

I think a better rule is "Treat an employer owned device as absolute kryptonite and avoid putting anything personal on it ever".

That’d be my rule 100%. But apple apparently requires personal apple accounts be signed into on company provided devices by employees. It does sort of make sense as they want to be sure of company secrets.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by mgarfias »

analognoise wrote: post #11
lowkey_ wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's just there for the sympathetic headlines — she deleted Google Drive as well, and we can all easily imagine what that suggests. I think a good rule as an employee is "if instructed to hand over your phone as part of an investigation, don't delete stuff before doing so."

I think a better rule is "Treat an employer owned device as absolute kryptonite and avoid putting anything personal on it ever".

Bingo.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by thomasahle »

prepend wrote: post #14

I guess I’m just old school but I come from a time when I’d be fired for any negative public or even internal comments. And I’m ok with that. I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. Or I’d start a company and do it my way. I just don’t see leadership being convinced by me complaining on Twitter or starting an internal complaint slack c…

> I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way.

What if you found every other company were the same way?

> Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions.

There are much fewer leadership positions than people in those companies. It can't be the general recommendation that if you want to make your workplace better you have to compete for one of a handful of positions.

That's like telling somebody living in a monarchy that if they want influence over their lives, they just have to marry into the royal family.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by analognoise »

Calvin02 wrote: post #19

Apple fires employee -> likely employee’s fault. FB, Goog, Amazon, MS fire an employee -> they are terrible companies. HN’s biases are infuriating. Replace Apple with Facebook or Google and everyone will have their pitchforks out.

Bruh we bag on Apple constantly about Right to Repair, their app store monopoly, and destroyed them over their phone scanning shit.

We regularly BEAT on Apple.

Obviously the app we all noticed was...Google Drive in that list!

/Edited: I forgot, we also bag on them constantly about WFH, and their piss poor record with bug bounties. There are probably some I'm forgetting.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by geofft »

da_big_ghey wrote: post #17
prepend wrote: post #14

I guess I’m just old school but I come from a time when I’d be fired for any negative public or even internal comments. And I’m ok with that. I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. Or I’d start a company and do it my way. I just don’t see leadership being convinced by me complaining on Twitter or starting an internal complaint slack c…

Agree, I am confused why the surprise that somebody bad-mouth an employer publicly and get fired for it. Ask, if you were in a business, you have a problem employee who will not stop talking to press to make a public damage against your reputation. How can you handle this when this employee will not stop? Said person is now working against your company interests and not for.

They're not working against the company's interests. They may be working against the interests of individuals in management. For public companies like Apple - and arguably for any company larger than a sole proprietorship - those aren't the same thing.

(It is still true, of course, that management has the power to fire you and therefore picking fights with management is generally not good for your career. But that's a cold practical observation, not a statement about merit. There's a significant difference between losing a political fight and working against the company's interests.)

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by arvinsim »

Calvin02 wrote: post #19

Apple fires employee -> likely employee’s fault. FB, Goog, Amazon, MS fire an employee -> they are terrible companies. HN’s biases are infuriating. Replace Apple with Facebook or Google and everyone will have their pitchforks out.

I had to do a second reading when I realized that "ate" was a typo of "are"

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by angry_octet »

da_big_ghey wrote: post #17
prepend wrote: post #14

I guess I’m just old school but I come from a time when I’d be fired for any negative public or even internal comments. And I’m ok with that. I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. Or I’d start a company and do it my way. I just don’t see leadership being convinced by me complaining on Twitter or starting an internal complaint slack c…

Agree, I am confused why the surprise that somebody bad-mouth an employer publicly and get fired for it. Ask, if you were in a business, you have a problem employee who will not stop talking to press to make a public damage against your reputation. How can you handle this when this employee will not stop? Said person is now working against your company interests and not for.

This is a big cultural disconnect. What you interpret as "bad mouthing" is actually an indication of corporate health, a mechanism for self-correcting behaviour, and pruning bad management practices that cause behaviour to deviate from objectives. However, your views are not uncommon, people like to hide their misbehavior, and it's always a challenge to root those people out.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by leucineleprec0n »

analognoise wrote: post #11
lowkey_ wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's just there for the sympathetic headlines — she deleted Google Drive as well, and we can all easily imagine what that suggests. I think a good rule as an employee is "if instructed to hand over your phone as part of an investigation, don't delete stuff before doing so."

I think a better rule is "Treat an employer owned device as absolute kryptonite and avoid putting anything personal on it ever".

You’re absolutely right, independent of whatever’s going on here.

Why is your post downvoted? Holy hell some of you are completely lost. Don’t shill out for a fucking firm, idolatry is no lesser a vice than corporate squabbles and petty theft or whatever.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by iab »

arvinsim wrote: post #27
Calvin02 wrote: post #19

Apple fires employee -> likely employee’s fault. FB, Goog, Amazon, MS fire an employee -> they are terrible companies. HN’s biases are infuriating. Replace Apple with Facebook or Google and everyone will have their pitchforks out.

I had to do a second reading when I realized that "ate" was a typo of "are"

I’ve been trying to cut down on terrible companies recently, bad for heart-health you know
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