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Is my Facebook activity fucking my finances?

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Re: Is my Facebook activity fucking my finances?

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They don’t sell the data. It’s in the FB walled garden.

You and your mates appear to have invented a new financial system, which involves walls. Please explain 8)

Selling raw data vs. selling targeted advertising based on that data. The difference is maybe not so important to some people, but it's exactly the distinction the comment you originally replied to highlights.

"Walled garden" is a fairly common colloquial phrase, often applied to the iOS ecosystem in the context of the app store (genuinely not sure what you meant by your comment otherwise).

Re: Is my Facebook activity fucking my finances?

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Also, Facebook and other big tech companies are way less likely to get hacked thanks to more established data handling practices. Breaches still occasionally happen, but you're more likely to see data breaches from these data broker companies because they didn't secure their elasticsearch DBs or something dumb like that.

Granted it’s old news, but you mean like the founder and employees stalking profiles of those they were interested in during the early days?

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Re: Is my Facebook activity fucking my finances?

#23

I would like a more specific, a much more specific, example of a bank rejecting a loan applicant based on their google search history as the article implies.

Is this really far fetched? Did you not see what Biden is proposing? Anyone with more than $600 in their bank accounts will have their transactions monitored. They will be mining that data asap.

I did not see that Biden will mandate google turn over search history to banks.

Re: Is my Facebook activity fucking my finances?

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> In those cases your credit score could be based on just about anything. What you post on social media, whether you recently visited a doctor, or whether or not you live in a wealthy neighbourhood. Suddenly, your most recent Google search history, or your latest post on TikTok could influence whether you can get that loan.

It's strange to see Facebook and Google being invoked in these hypothetical examples when neither company sells user data. Big advertising companies aren't interested in releasing their proprietary user data to other companies. They sell ads on their own platform, but they don't sell user data.

Meanwhile, financial institutions openly share your personal information with "business partners" unless you opt out. The FTC has done a decent job of forcing disclosure of these data sharing arrangements and giving consumers a standard form to opt-out [1] These companies are actively selling user data as much as they can get away with, but Facebook and Google are getting demonized for something they're not even doing.

As for this blog post: It's a fine example of Betteridge's law of headlines (and yes, I know it's not actually a law).

[1] It looks like this: https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/rules/privacy-con... inside of your mailed statements. You can also find it on the financial institution website if you search long enough.

Re: Is my Facebook activity fucking my finances?

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post #5

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Right, I think a lot of the HN audience understands this often happens with public (or 'public') data on the Internet. I still think the article title is a bit misleading when the article is about data brokers instead of Facebook (even if sometimes data brokers use FB) and would hope for more constructive and better-sourced articles from Mozilla.

Increasing engagement is only evil when Facebook does it.

yeah what about the streaming industry and the game industry? Of course when we dig into them we'll come to the conclusion that human attention is havested in order to fund a whole range of industries and it's their entire business model we need to kill to stop this.

This has always been the case since before the digital age (hollywood, cable, video game, sports, even news). These industries feed on humans paying attention to things that don't matter in their life.

Re: Is my Facebook activity fucking my finances?

#28

This is going to be country-specific. In the US, wouldn’t the old-fashioned, middle-class way of building up a credit history by getting a credit card and paying it on time still work? Perhaps someone who works in that area will know more.

This is how it worked 20 years ago at least. I built up ridiculously good credit (by accident), when one of my first employers who didn't have a functional purchasing department.

My boss and I would take turns maxing out our credit cards (mine were rather meager having just graduated) to purchase equipment for the company and then being reimbursed.

However, credit score isn't really a measure of how likely you are to pay back a loan, but rather how profitable you will be doing so. My understanding is, the ideal customer always pays his bill in the end, but may take some time doing so to rack up extra interest charges.

Re: Is my Facebook activity fucking my finances?

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Yet another disingenuous privacy article by the Mozilla Foundation. Right in the second to last paragraph, they sneak in that "Countries like the US have laws that dictate what credit scores can be based on." and then fail to provide any examples of actual countries that use social data in credit decisions.

There was a whole big fad [1] of social credit scoring around 2012 - 2015ish which just kind of went away because... it turns out it doesn't work very well. The more signals you use, the more you open yourself up to adverse selection and I think pretty much every social credit scoring startup found themselves unable to offer a more compelling rate without going bankrupt and they all either pivoted or shut down.

AFAIK, there isn't currently a widespread deployed social credit solution in any country (including China). But it continues to be the favorite doomed pitch in fintech.

[1] https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/the-social-credi...

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