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What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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Post by passthejoe »

log101 wrote: post #36
authorityofnil wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can make quite substantial sums, seeing as Mozilla makes tens of millions with default engine choices: https://static.mozilla.com/foundation/documents/mf-2006-audi... So yes, I do think they make money aswell

I was going give Mozilla as an example, thanks for pointing that out. Now please go and check how Mozilla is doing financially :) Even Mozilla is having hard time making profit, Vivaldi is sure is an ambitious project but my point is sorts of income mentioned on the site doesn't mean anything, they need more than bookmarks...

Mozilla is BATHING in money.

https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2019/mozilla-fdn-201...

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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Post by merlinscholz »

lmkg wrote: post #34
kuu wrote: post #3

I don't really know Vivaldi. They mention that they do not track you, but do they make some effort to avoid being tracked by others? For example: firefox reduces the timestamp precision on your mouse events to prevent fingerprinting Does Vivaldi do something similar?

Vivaldi is pretty pro-privacy. Every time Chromium adds a new API with privacy implications, Vivaldi makes a blog post publicly committing to disable or remove it from the version they ship. E.g. the most recent update, the headline feature is disabling the Idle API by default: https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-gets-more-private-delivers-... They also had a pretty long post about why FLOC is bad, and I believe have co…

Sadly, as long as they are closed source, there is no way to check their privacy guarantee.

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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Post by walton_simons »

wejick wrote: post #9

Vivaldi is my default chromium based browser right now. Firefox still be the default browser, however there are many site offering extra features for Chrome based browser. For example the video filter in Google meet doesn't work on Firefox. The amount of customization is no joke, i love this feeling of being truly power user.

Mine too. I think it's great. So many quality of life improvements. For starters, all the tab handling options. Being able to specify where new tabs open, and where you go when you close a tab. Tab stacks are amazing — five minutes after learning how they work, I was already wondering how I'd managed for so long without them. Being able to tile multiple tabs in the same window. The list goes on and on. The neat, compact interface. The sidebar that gives you a searchable list of closed tabs. Smaller things, like being able to see the entire URL in the address bar again.

There are a few rough edges here and there, and it certainly doesn't feel as responsive as Chrome, but I highly recommend it nevertheless, especially to those who get frustrated with the main players removing more and more features with each new version.

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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Post by dandare »

> Some use your data in ad networks, push promoted content or use other invasive methods to fund their development. We don’t.

"We don’t - directly. Instead we make deals with search engines and bookmark partners who's business model is exactly as described above. In other words, we too live off you data, but we outsource the hard lifting to our partners. "

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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Post by bluecatswim »

hrnnnnnn wrote: post #39
ricardo81 wrote: post #22

FF is my default but I'd likely fall back to Vivaldi if FF continue with schemes like ads in search suggestions (or more to the point, start making a 3rd party call which apparently they currently don't do). Appreciate the transparency in that their search engine selection is based on them being paid, and include Google purely because it's the market leader.

Been using Vivaldi more and more on Android these days. Since the big update Firefox is literally unusable for some tasks. For example the other day I needed to switch apps to get a value to put into a form. When I switched back it reloaded the page, losing the form state.

Yep, Firefox android is impossible to use if you do anything non-trivial and has so many quirks. It's been over a year since the rewrite so I don't know what they're doing.

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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Post by jfk13 »

bogwog wrote: post #31
jmnicolas wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's kind of gray: Privacy One of the most persistent misunderstandings about Safe Browsing is the idea that the browser needs to send all visited URLs to Google in order to verify whether or not they are safe. While this was an option in version 1 of the Safe Browsing protocol (as disclosed in their privacy policy at the time), support for this "enhanced mode" was removed in Firefox 3 and the version 1 server was de…

So basically, it does send your URLs to Google. Maybe not all of them, but an unspecified amount of them. Also, Google pinky promises that the data they collect from this isn't used for tracking purposes.

> So basically, it does send your URLs to Google

No, it downloads hashes from Google, and checks the URL locally against those.

See https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/how-safe-browsing-works-...

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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Post by [deleted] »

log101 wrote: post #36
authorityofnil wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can make quite substantial sums, seeing as Mozilla makes tens of millions with default engine choices: https://static.mozilla.com/foundation/documents/mf-2006-audi... So yes, I do think they make money aswell

I was going give Mozilla as an example, thanks for pointing that out. Now please go and check how Mozilla is doing financially :) Even Mozilla is having hard time making profit, Vivaldi is sure is an ambitious project but my point is sorts of income mentioned on the site doesn't mean anything, they need more than bookmarks...

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Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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Post by lillecarl »

Eikon wrote: post #40
dartharva wrote: post #32

>at Vivaldi, we don’t track or profile you. Nor do we collect usage data. In fact, we believe that the unnecessary collection of data is dangerous and has no place in your browser. Great. Would be better if you also release Vivaldi's source code to public scrutiny instead of just expecting users to take your word for it.

Then I hope you'll also build it by yourself.

Most software I use is not built and packaged by the person who wrote it.
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