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What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is plain wrong, as the article clearly lists all the ways Vivaldi makes money

Did you "really" read it? How much money do you think they make from bookmarks or recommendations?

You can make quite substantial sums, seeing as Mozilla makes tens of millions with default engine choices: https://static.mozilla.com/foundation/documents/mf-2006-audi...

So yes, I do think they make money aswell

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

#22
FF is my default but I'd likely fall back to Vivaldi if FF continue with schemes like ads in search suggestions (or more to the point, start making a 3rd party call which apparently they currently don't do).

Appreciate the transparency in that their search engine selection is based on them being paid, and include Google purely because it's the market leader.

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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post #13

I've tried Vivaldi on all my devices for several months but it has several annoying quirks: - Videos are jerky compared to Chrome. It doesn't matter if hardware acceleration is on or off, and it's at least on macOs and Windows. - Scrolling is either slow (if hardware acceleration is off) or shows a blank page as you scroll (if hardware acceleration is on). Chrome works fine with hardware acceleration. - Caching is we…

There is something about this browser. I've been trying to use it as the main browser since it's first launched, but it always feel kind of janky. Can't remember the specifics since last I tried was circa 2019.

They rewrote the entire interface of chrome in JavaScript with obvious consequences.

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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I don't really know Vivaldi. They mention that they do not track you, but do they make some effort to avoid being tracked by others? For example: firefox reduces the timestamp precision on your mouse events to prevent fingerprinting Does Vivaldi do something similar?

Yep, they have built in ad and tracking protection enabled by default.

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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post #3

I don't really know Vivaldi. They mention that they do not track you, but do they make some effort to avoid being tracked by others? For example: firefox reduces the timestamp precision on your mouse events to prevent fingerprinting Does Vivaldi do something similar?

I don't know but firefox sends what ever you type in your address bar to mozilla, that is concerning

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

#26

vivaldi and brave are competing for the same set of users... i currently use and am happy with brave... hopefully both do well...

This is pretty true. I currently use Brave as my personal browser and use Vivaldi for work. Been doing this for at least a year and am very satisfied.

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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post #3

I don't really know Vivaldi. They mention that they do not track you, but do they make some effort to avoid being tracked by others? For example: firefox reduces the timestamp precision on your mouse events to prevent fingerprinting Does Vivaldi do something similar?

> For example: firefox reduces the timestamp precision on your mouse events to prevent fingerprinting ... while sending all URLs you visit to google for "safe browsing".

It's kind of gray:

Privacy

One of the most persistent misunderstandings about Safe Browsing is the idea that the browser needs to send all visited URLs to Google in order to verify whether or not they are safe.

While this was an option in version 1 of the Safe Browsing protocol (as disclosed in their privacy policy at the time), support for this "enhanced mode" was removed in Firefox 3 and the version 1 server was decommissioned in late 2011 in favor of version 2 of the Safe Browsing API which doesn't offer this type of real-time lookup.

Google explicitly states that the information collected as part of operating the Safe Browsing service "is only used to flag malicious activity and is never used anywhere else at Google" and that "Safe Browsing requests won't be associated with your Google Account". In addition, Firefox adds a few privacy protections:

    Query string parameters are stripped from URLs we check as part of the download protection feature.
    Cookies set by the Safe Browsing servers to protect the service from abuse are stored in a separate cookie jar so that they are not mixed with regular browsing/session cookies.
    When requesting complete hashes for a 32-bit prefix, Firefox throws in a number of extra "noise" entries to obfuscate the original URL further.
On balance, we believe that most users will want to keep Safe Browsing enabled, but we also make it easy for users with particular needs to turn it off.

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

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> The only exception is Google – we don’t make money when you search with Google. However, we know that some of you use this search engine daily, so we include it in Vivaldi.

Interesting. I immediately wondered how Vivaldi can fund development of their browser without Google bucks, but I suppose that might have something to do with why they switched to Chromium.

Re: What’s Vivaldi’s business model?

#29
post #9

Vivaldi is my default chromium based browser right now. Firefox still be the default browser, however there are many site offering extra features for Chrome based browser. For example the video filter in Google meet doesn't work on Firefox. The amount of customization is no joke, i love this feeling of being truly power user.

I'm on the same boat. The only reason FF is still my main browser is because of multi account containers. If Vivaldi implemented that I'd switch instantly.
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