Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud
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Re: Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud
#22Nailed for being the only guy stupid enough to write instant messages bragging about misleading the FAA. As a longtime corporate grunt, I can guess exactly how management leaned on him. He should have left and let the scumbags find another patsy to do their dirty work.
Exactly.
There's a reason when you deal with people senior enough in any big organization that everything is verbal...
Re: Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud
#23I'm sure this guy knew what he was doing - but yes, he was probably coerced or induced by someone with more authority. There's no way the buck stops there.
well some C-level staff eventually has to take some responsibility, can't keep passing the buck.
He is c-level. He’s the _Chief_ Technical Pilot.
Re: Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud
#24Well let's hope that some C-Suite got punished.
to calibrate our hopes we can just look at VW dieselgate
The CEO at the time, Martin Winterkor, and at least six other executives were indicted. Some of the executives were jailed but still not the CEO (I can find mentions of prosecutors discussing the sentence but no mention of him actually starting serving it).
But I have muche less hope in the capacity of the US to seriously incriminate its poster child.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
well some C-level staff eventually has to take some responsibility, can't keep passing the buck.
some C-level staff eventually has to take some responsibility That may be optimistic. Off the top of my head I can't remember any c-level execs of such a massive corporation having criminal charges brought against them. (except maybe for some type of tax/securities fraud) There's probably... some? My knowledge of the area certainly isn't comprehensive.
Not C-level - but at Boeing, and convicted of a felony in the case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darleen_Druyun
Re: Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
well some C-level staff eventually has to take some responsibility, can't keep passing the buck.
some C-level staff eventually has to take some responsibility That may be optimistic. Off the top of my head I can't remember any c-level execs of such a massive corporation having criminal charges brought against them. (except maybe for some type of tax/securities fraud) There's probably... some? My knowledge of the area certainly isn't comprehensive.
What happened to the Enron guys? Didn't they go to jail? I know one commited suicide, but the othe 2 spent some time at Club Fed didn't they?
Re: Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud
#27Re: Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud
#28Well let's hope that some C-Suite got punished.
Unfortunately it looks like this is really a fall guy with no mention of where the instruction to hide this information came from. On the other hand, according to his Linkedin Mark Forkner worked for the FAA before moving to Boeing to become the chief technical pilot, so he should have been well aware of the stakes when he hid information.
Another way to look at it is he would be knowledgable on how to hide information from the FAA
Re: Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud
#29Well let's hope that some C-Suite got punished.
Unfortunately it looks like this is really a fall guy with no mention of where the instruction to hide this information came from. On the other hand, according to his Linkedin Mark Forkner worked for the FAA before moving to Boeing to become the chief technical pilot, so he should have been well aware of the stakes when he hid information.
This is the C suite guy getting the charges levied on him with pretty solid evidence against him. if he wants to avoid long term jail they will use him to cut a deal to get more information to find out if any of the few people that are above him ordered him to do it.
Re: Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for Fraud
#30Boeing were idiots selling this new model into the markets they did right out the gate. It was greed and bit them hard. Poor maintenance. Pilot skills in hand flying and unusual flying and recovery so different (overseas they don't always come through a normal US style GA background). If they would have looked more closely at the US, they would have found that this system was triggered (and resolved) I suspect pretty…
The people that really got bitten are the ones that died on impact :(