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Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by School-Cotton »

tazjin wrote: post #35
School-Cotton wrote: post #25

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You’re obviously curious and want to try it, or you wouldn’t have posted that, so why not go for it? You have nothing to lose. For me the coolest thing about OpenBSD is it’s the simplest OS that is still of practical use (i.e., not counting ones that are purely for research or education). So if you’re curious about how any part of the system works, it’s easy to just dive into /usr/src and figure it out. It’s also ent…

systemd is configured via simple text files

What simple text file is, for example, the list of WiFi SSIDs to try to connect to stored in?

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by nix23 »

School-Cotton wrote: post #41
tazjin wrote: post #35

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systemd is configured via simple text files

What simple text file is, for example, the list of WiFi SSIDs to try to connect to stored in?

/etc/systemd/network/25-wireless.network

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/systemd-networkd#network_fi...

But simple i would not call it...compared to bsd ;)

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by ksec »

bluGill wrote: post #28
ksec wrote: post #18

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From https://www.openbsd.org/goals.html >Be as politics-free as possible; solutions should be decided on the basis of technical merit. Someone has the wisdom to put this in nearly 20 years ago.

OpenBSD split from NetBSD years ago for political reasons. So it isn't a surprise that 20 years ago politics and the issues thereof were high on everyone's mind.

>OpenBSD split from NetBSD years ago for political reasons.

I was naive in thinking it was always about the focus on priorities, as in Security vs NetBSD's portability. So I decided to read up on it [1]. Since Wiki seems to be purposely quiet / unclear on the incident.

Turns out Open Source Politics isn't that much different 25 years later.

[1] https://www.theos.com/deraadt/coremail.html

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by protomyth »

user3939382 wrote: post #24

My main use for OpenBSD is as a firewall/router, and they frequently make breaking changes to the pf rule syntax so I had to abandon it. Last breaking change when I checked was July, but it's been going on for many years. If you have one firewall no big deal, but if you set them up for customers all over the place it's a nightmare. They should take a page out of Microsoft's book here.

"My main use for OpenBSD is as a firewall/router, and they frequently make breaking changes to the pf rule syntax so I had to abandon it."

Uhm... well, I've been using it since 3.0 (when pf was introduced) and its been very stable. You have at least 6 months to convert your pf and its never taken me more than a day to get it changed. Its well documented and frankly, even with all the horror stories, I've found friendly help each time I had a question (do read the manual before asking a question). Looking at your firewall rules every 6 months isn't exactly stressful.

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by zokula »

tbrock wrote: post #13
pastrami_panda wrote: post #10

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> Coherency What does this refer to in this context?

Things are where you’d expect, patterns and conventions cary on throughout the system, etc… Vs the disjoint feeling linux has.

I already have that with Linux.

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by mrweasel »

Koshkin wrote: post #8
nanna wrote: post #6

Any BSD fans out there wish to persuade a happy Debian desktop user to take a BSD for a spin?

Coherency, security, stability, ZFS... Perfect on a server (e.g. a VPS), may not be as good as a desktop or as something to run on a laptop (depending on hardware).

> Coherency, security, stability, ZFS...

My only sort of complaint in regards to FreeBSD is actually ZFS. Not that it's not fantastic, or that it shouldn't be there. ZFS does however clearly comes from Solaris, and there have been no effort to make the ZFS command line tools feel more BSD like.

Changing the tooling around ZFS probably isn't a great idea, but coherency has clearly taken a backseat to features in this case.

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by ToddWBurgess »

yung_steezy wrote: post #9
nanna wrote: post #6

Any BSD fans out there wish to persuade a happy Debian desktop user to take a BSD for a spin?

I would recommend FreeBSD if you were going to try one of them. The BSD experience a bit like using linux was like 15 years ago. Online DRM for sites like Netflix will not work for example. Specifically in the case of FreeBSD the filesystem is well curated and cohesive, if you feel a file ought to be in a certain location it is usually there. Additionally the manpages and docs are a joy to read. I'm less familiar wit…

I got FreeBSD running on a Raspberry PI. It isn't too hard to install and get up and running. I primarily use FreeBSD on the Pi for ARM assembly programming. All BSDs are great for devs.

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by zokula »

ksec wrote: post #45
bluGill wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenBSD split from NetBSD years ago for political reasons. So it isn't a surprise that 20 years ago politics and the issues thereof were high on everyone's mind.

>OpenBSD split from NetBSD years ago for political reasons. I was naive in thinking it was always about the focus on priorities, as in Security vs NetBSD's portability. So I decided to read up on it [1]. Since Wiki seems to be purposely quiet / unclear on the incident. Turns out Open Source Politics isn't that much different 25 years later. [1] https://www.theos.com/deraadt/coremail.html

That would assume that OpenBSD is secure the first place.
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