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Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by thijsvandien »

yrui wrote: post #16
nanna wrote: post #6

Any BSD fans out there wish to persuade a happy Debian desktop user to take a BSD for a spin?

I've been running OpenBSD more than 15 years, and it does have a learning curve. One area to consider as a happy Debian desktop user is using OpenBSD as a router OS. PC Engines (I have no affiliation to them) makes a very nice router called "Alix" and OpenBSD works well on it. Previously, people were installing it on Soekris routers before they went out of business. OpenBSD's firewall pf is by far my favorite, and it…

ALIX is EOL. Nowadays you'll want to use their APU (excellent too).

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by zephyr9 »

nix23 wrote: post #5
ptidhomme wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm well aware, but still not official (no artwork released for example)

But the "Style Hymn" :) https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#70 But hey, if the Artwork is the release point for you, that's fine with me ;)

Also the homepage is a bit of a giveaway:

> The current release is OpenBSD 6.9, released May 1, 2021.

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by user3939382 »

My main use for OpenBSD is as a firewall/router, and they frequently make breaking changes to the pf rule syntax so I had to abandon it. Last breaking change when I checked was July, but it's been going on for many years. If you have one firewall no big deal, but if you set them up for customers all over the place it's a nightmare. They should take a page out of Microsoft's book here.

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by School-Cotton »

nanna wrote: post #6

Any BSD fans out there wish to persuade a happy Debian desktop user to take a BSD for a spin?

You’re obviously curious and want to try it, or you wouldn’t have posted that, so why not go for it? You have nothing to lose.

For me the coolest thing about OpenBSD is it’s the simplest OS that is still of practical use (i.e., not counting ones that are purely for research or education). So if you’re curious about how any part of the system works, it’s easy to just dive into /usr/src and figure it out. It’s also entirely configured via simple text files rather than some opaque systemd monstrosity.

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by School-Cotton »

Koshkin wrote: post #8
nanna wrote: post #6

Any BSD fans out there wish to persuade a happy Debian desktop user to take a BSD for a spin?

Coherency, security, stability, ZFS... Perfect on a server (e.g. a VPS), may not be as good as a desktop or as something to run on a laptop (depending on hardware).

> ZFS

NB: Not on OpenBSD.

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by nix23 »

user3939382 wrote: post #24

My main use for OpenBSD is as a firewall/router, and they frequently make breaking changes to the pf rule syntax so I had to abandon it. Last breaking change when I checked was July, but it's been going on for many years. If you have one firewall no big deal, but if you set them up for customers all over the place it's a nightmare. They should take a page out of Microsoft's book here.

>They should take a page out of Microsoft's book here

Yeah NO.

OpenBSD is the opposite of backward compatibility by design.

You should have known that before installing at your customers site en masse.

That's probably one point why PFsense is based on freebsd and OPNsense on hardenedbsd.

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by bluGill »

ksec wrote: post #18
jmclnx wrote: post #17

Just see this: https://www.openbsd.org/goals.html But if your video is Nvidia, you are out of luck until they open their drivers.

From https://www.openbsd.org/goals.html >Be as politics-free as possible; solutions should be decided on the basis of technical merit. Someone has the wisdom to put this in nearly 20 years ago.

OpenBSD split from NetBSD years ago for political reasons. So it isn't a surprise that 20 years ago politics and the issues thereof were high on everyone's mind.

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by nix23 »

zephyr9 wrote: post #23
nix23 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the "Style Hymn" :) https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#70 But hey, if the Artwork is the release point for you, that's fine with me ;)

Also the homepage is a bit of a giveaway: > The current release is OpenBSD 6.9, released May 1, 2021.

Press the Download button and be amazed ;)

But no release for you, until homepage is.

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by noja »

nix23 wrote: post #27
user3939382 wrote: post #24

My main use for OpenBSD is as a firewall/router, and they frequently make breaking changes to the pf rule syntax so I had to abandon it. Last breaking change when I checked was July, but it's been going on for many years. If you have one firewall no big deal, but if you set them up for customers all over the place it's a nightmare. They should take a page out of Microsoft's book here.

>They should take a page out of Microsoft's book here Yeah NO. OpenBSD is the opposite of backward compatibility by design. You should have known that before installing at your customers site en masse. That's probably one point why PFsense is based on freebsd and OPNsense on hardenedbsd.

^^ The wording of this response represents exactly why many people don't choose OpenBSD.
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