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An unprecedented wave of online bank fraud is hitting Britain

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Re: An unprecedented wave of online bank fraud is hitting Britain

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Banks make no money from retail customers as it is, they certainly aren't going to be reopening branches any time soon.

That's where effective legislation and regulation can play a role. It's not as if other parts of the same bank aren't making money hand over fist.

Unless governments subsidize this, all this does is hurt small banks.

Re: An unprecedented wave of online bank fraud is hitting Britain

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Go and look up the concept of money mules. Fraudsters don't need to setup bank accounts, they either buy bank accounts off people for £50, or convince people to move the money on their behalf by claiming they're doing an "accounting" job that involves large money movements, and the mule will get paid a percentage. Most people don't realise what these accounts are used for, or just don't care because they're paid enou…

You see ads on instagram offering to buy or borrow your bank account for £50... and when they're used for muling guess who it is that gets their account banned and then a CIFAS marker ensuring they can't bank anywhere else? The desperate kid who needed the money, not the actual criminals behind it.

Yet another reason for regulating advertising. Why are these platforms not held liable as accomplices? I can't think of any legitimate reason for an ad to buy/rent someone's bank account.

Re: An unprecedented wave of online bank fraud is hitting Britain

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I had a long argument with HSBC UK Security a few years ago where I was completely unable to get the to understand they were putting their customers at risk. In the event that something looked strange on your account the 'HSBC Fraud Department' would text you and ask them to call you on a phone number. A phone number that didn't appear anywhere on their website. "We don't want it public. OK,well at least put it on a…

If I was talking to employees of the "Mexican drug cartel money laundering corporation", I too would be disappointed they don't give a shit.

Re: An unprecedented wave of online bank fraud is hitting Britain

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I had a long argument with HSBC UK Security a few years ago where I was completely unable to get the to understand they were putting their customers at risk. In the event that something looked strange on your account the 'HSBC Fraud Department' would text you and ask them to call you on a phone number. A phone number that didn't appear anywhere on their website. "We don't want it public. OK,well at least put it on a…

Hopefully this trial 159 scheme takes off one simple number to call regardless of bank.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2021/09/stop--hang-up...

I mentioned to a fewer older family members and they were all for a simple number to call.

Re: An unprecedented wave of online bank fraud is hitting Britain

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From TFA: > While security experts and senior bankers said many fraud attacks could be traced overseas - including from India and West Africa - Britain is also increasingly exporting attacks. > ... > "It's popular to say the fraud threat is imported into the UK, and I don't think that bears analysis," said NECC's Reed. "There is a significant UK nexus to a lot of fraud, our operational experience is showing that."

From personal experience working on this problem I would strongly agree with idea that a lot of bank fraud is home grown. The police in the UK have a very poor track record of actually dealing with bank fraud. The nature of the crime, and way UK policing works, means there's a significant number of disincentives to actually investigating bank fraud. Two of the biggest showstoppers is location/jurisdiction and trainin…

another factor is cost - the police do not have enough resourses to investigate

a few weeks ago my car was hit and the driver just drove off without stopping to give details (hit and run) the incident was caught on my dashcam inc car reg plate and faces.

After informing the police on 101 - they said sorry they do not investigate hit and run anymore unless a serious injury has occured - no resources available

Re: An unprecedented wave of online bank fraud is hitting Britain

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Well yeah.. but again, the number could also be in the footer of the banks website. People usually get scammed when they have the card with them... when they lose the card, they're the one actively looking for a phone number, and not presented with one from a scammer.

- "Sir, I'm calling you because I found your card, I called your bank, and they gave me your number. They told me you should report the card as lost in case it's been used fraudulently with the phone number that is written at the back of the card" - "Can you send me back the card?" - "I'm in a train, I won't be able to do that for a while. You should really call" - "But I don't have the number" - "I can read it to yo…

Red flag number 1 - my bank wouldn't give someone random my telephone number. That would be illegal.

Re: An unprecedented wave of online bank fraud is hitting Britain

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I had a long argument with HSBC UK Security a few years ago where I was completely unable to get the to understand they were putting their customers at risk. In the event that something looked strange on your account the 'HSBC Fraud Department' would text you and ask them to call you on a phone number. A phone number that didn't appear anywhere on their website. "We don't want it public. OK,well at least put it on a…

US credit card companies aren't any better. I recently had a similar "fraud alert." The company ditched travel notices in 2016 claiming their AI was good enough to replace it. A few weeks after traveling I had a very small purchase flagged (under $20 at a place like Target). When I called the number they asked me for my complete credit card number, social security number, they didn't know my phone number or email and…

Not all US credit card companies are like this. I specifically remember a few years ago that my Mom got a call from AMEX about some fraud on her card, to which she responded “I never get calls from you, how do I know this is real?”. They said no problem, just hang up and call the number on the back of your card.

I believe some banks even skip the call entirely, and just prompt you to call the number on the card.

Re: An unprecedented wave of online bank fraud is hitting Britain

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In a twist of irony, my 76 year old mother took in a immigrant who attended her church and was in a difficult situation. He'd come to the US on a lottery visa, was working and going to college while renting a room from her. After some years, it was time for his family to join him in the US. He flew to his home country of Cameroon to retrieve them, but the bribes he had to pay to get them out exceeded his cash on hand, and my mom needed to send him more money.

You can imagine the conversation at the bank as they repeatedly refused to entertain her explanation, let alone wire the money.

Re: An unprecedented wave of online bank fraud is hitting Britain

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- "Sir, I'm calling you because I found your card, I called your bank, and they gave me your number. They told me you should report the card as lost in case it's been used fraudulently with the phone number that is written at the back of the card" - "Can you send me back the card?" - "I'm in a train, I won't be able to do that for a while. You should really call" - "But I don't have the number" - "I can read it to yo…

Red flag number 1 - my bank wouldn't give someone random my telephone number. That would be illegal.

Good thing there are no data leaks or compromises! /s

That my bank insists on using essentially now public information now to verify (and refuses to use anything else, even after being repeatedly asked!) is also infuriating. Last 4 of SSN and DOB? Really?

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