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Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by rawTruthHurts »

ralfn wrote: post #87
ColinHayhurst wrote: post #2

The video has now been restored: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VidUXZjzNVk Worth a watch. Should we "assume the best" by assuming this was taken down by AI, and without human check? MP says: “This is an outrageous attack on free speech. Throughout the pandemic we've seen blatant attempts by Big Tech to silence opposition voices challenging the conventional wisdom. This episode serves as a further example of the wor…

>Should we "assume the best" by assuming this was taken down by AI, and without human check? How is that 'the best'. Only Silicon Valley thinks that is a valid legal excuse for anything. If you can't operate within the law you can't operate. The US better start regulating their companies or you end up with a trade war due to the whole world including Europe just kicking these vendors out of the market entirely and pe…

>How is that 'the best'.

Hence the quotes wrapping sentence.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by that_guy_iain »

zimpenfish wrote: post #80
Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

David Davis is a backbench MP, he isn't a Government minister. I would sooner eat my own eyeballs than vote Conservative, no matter who the candidate, but Davis does have a principled track-record in voting for civil liberties.

> Davis does have a principled track-record in voting for civil liberties. Well, if you're British, sure? If you're an EU Citizen wanting to live or work in the UK, he was very much "they should have ID cards" in 2017.

To be fair, they probably should have ID cards since every other country in the EU as far as I know has a national ID scheme.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by that_guy_iain »

zpeti wrote: post #27
dua2020 wrote: post #5

This is a government which is in the process of criminalising protest under a deliberately vague 'public nuisance' clause. They only want freedom of expression for their views and not for those that oppose them.

Can someone explain to me how this makes sense when they are letting insulate britain block motorways? Like which protests are they trying to stop? I assume blocking motorways is illegal already, yet the police are doing nothing, which is leading dangerously to vigilante justice as per some videos, which is only a question of time before it turns really violent. Wtf is the UK government doing? Why do they need more p…

> Can someone explain to me how this makes sense when they are letting insulate britain block motorways? Like which protests are they trying to stop?

They are letting them? I'm pretty sure they get arrested every single time. Or are you wanting a instant jail sentence for being suspect of making people late?

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

jasode wrote: post #38
andrekandre wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Govnt must stop the erosion of free speech online. That starts with looking again at the wholly inadequate proposals in the Online Safety Bill” why don't they (govt) open a public video site for anyone to upload to, so they don't have to mess with private sites? forcing private entities to host things they dont want to sounds like a huge can of worms

>why don't they (govt) open a public video site for anyone to upload to, If governments tried to create publicly funded video website for anyone to upload to, it still won't accomplish what we'd hope for because governments always exercise their power censor . (See examples of UK BBC censorship.[1]) Look at the cognitive dissonance in the platitude: "Govnt must stop the erosion of free speech online." The government-…

I think op meant, that the government should make video.gov.tld webpage to post government videos there, instead of posting them to youtube.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by quotemstr »

harry8 wrote: post #90
quotemstr wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> . youtube_v1 blocks your video, touyube_v2 or v3 or whatever will have it because they are separate and not a cartel as that would be illegal. You're supposing that youtube_v1, youtube_v2, and youtube_v3 wouldn't all block you. They would, because all three companies would include a cohort of the same activist employees with the same censorious ideology all pushing to cancel the same people at the same time. And wh…

> They would, because all three companies would include a cohort of the same activist employees with the same censorious ideology all pushing to cancel the same people at the same time. Which is collusion and we have remedies for it. It's just a better place to be all around. >Splitting tech companies won't do any good for censorship resistance on its own It really will. The power imbalance is redressed so a multitud…

> Which is collusion and we have remedies for it.

Have you been living in a cave? What would you call today's cross-company bans except collusion?

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by mbg721 »

hliyan wrote: post #33
mojzu wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it seems likely to me to be an overzealous AI decision, given the background noise of anti-vaccine disinformation on youtube these days I wouldn't be surprised if they've turned up their algorithms at the cost of more false and marginal positives What's strange however is them seeming to use this to try and 'strengthen' the online safety bill which in it's current form would already be damaging to free speech on…

Should we be more forgiving of harm done by faulty algorithms than by negligent human beings? It was the company's choice to save money by automating a process that normally only human beings can do reliably. The consequences to the victim are the same regardless of the instrument used in the commission of the wrongdoing.

Exactly; there is no faulty algorithm without a human being behind it.

"I just closed my eyes, swung my fist repeatedly, and started walking! How should I have known you'd be standing there?"

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by harry8 »

quotemstr wrote: post #95
harry8 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They would, because all three companies would include a cohort of the same activist employees with the same censorious ideology all pushing to cancel the same people at the same time. Which is collusion and we have remedies for it. It's just a better place to be all around. >Splitting tech companies won't do any good for censorship resistance on its own It really will. The power imbalance is redressed so a multitud…

> Which is collusion and we have remedies for it. Have you been living in a cave? What would you call today's cross-company bans except collusion?

Yep. I'd call it collusion. I'd encourage prosecution for it. It's good law. It's good to have a legal remedy for the abuse of power.

Prosecuting a facebook sized company for doning something flagrantly illegal is a lot harder than one or more of a great many smaller sized companies.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by valdiorn »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #93
zpeti wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can someone explain to me how this makes sense when they are letting insulate britain block motorways? Like which protests are they trying to stop? I assume blocking motorways is illegal already, yet the police are doing nothing, which is leading dangerously to vigilante justice as per some videos, which is only a question of time before it turns really violent. Wtf is the UK government doing? Why do they need more p…

> Can someone explain to me how this makes sense when they are letting insulate britain block motorways? Like which protests are they trying to stop? They are letting them? I'm pretty sure they get arrested every single time. Or are you wanting a instant jail sentence for being suspect of making people late?

the police and courts have the ability to impose bans on individuals returning to protests and re-offending. They could quite easily say "if you participate in another protest where a road is blocked in the next 12 months, we'll hand you a 1 month jail sentence".

For some reason this isn't being used, and they just let people go again and again, and they always return a few days later. Well, actually, they DO issue these restrictions, but don't follow up with actual punishment. Boggles the brain. You take a handful of grandmas and stick them in actual, factual jail for a month, see how many people return to protest next time.

Re: UK MP speech about freedoms censored by YouTube

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Post by valdiorn »

zimpenfish wrote: post #80
Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

David Davis is a backbench MP, he isn't a Government minister. I would sooner eat my own eyeballs than vote Conservative, no matter who the candidate, but Davis does have a principled track-record in voting for civil liberties.

> Davis does have a principled track-record in voting for civil liberties. Well, if you're British, sure? If you're an EU Citizen wanting to live or work in the UK, he was very much "they should have ID cards" in 2017.

As an EEA citizen living in the UK (now a citizen, but was here pre-brexit under EU freedoms) I see absolutely nothing wrong with the host state requiring me to carry an ID card. In fact, many countries require this for their own citizens, see Germany.
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