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How To Break Your Daily Caffeine Habit And Use Coffee Strategically

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Re: How To Break Your Daily Caffeine Habit And Use Coffee Strategically

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My two thoughts: 1) Before you attempt to deal with a 'caffeine addiction', look at whether you have sugar addiction - which is far more dangerous for your health and more complicated to address. 2) Many of us don't get the amount of sleep we really need to function. Unless you sort that problem out first, you will just end up feeling sluggish and unproductive without the caffeine.

Thank you. I'm a habitual soda drinker, and I realized that after giving up caffeine (several times) it's really the taste of soda that brings me back; aka, getting my sugar fix throughout the day. I'm working on addressing this now even as I continue drinking caffeine, simply so I don't deplete myself of any self control. Do you have any relevant articles on addressing sugar addiction? I'm not sure any grand strateg…

I've had a lot of success at slowly phasing sugar out. I spent a while consciously trying to put less into my coffees (it was a struggle sometimes), and now I drink it without suger.

Likewise I mix my on soft-drinks from cordial + soda water (seltzer) and i've scaled it back to the point where I often prefer the water plain.

The great thing about it is I use the sugar as a hit for its own sake now if I'm feeling tired/whatever. It doesn't last long, but it can be a great way to get yourself going.

Re: How To Break Your Daily Caffeine Habit And Use Coffee Strategically

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I tried for years to give up an 8+ cup a day habit. The first few times after a few days of no coffee I would be literally falling asleep at my desk at work. Recently I went on a long vacation, and though I was drinking coffee, it was no where near as much as usual, and even that trickled off completely during the last week. At that point I thought I may as well try stopping completely - it was hard, but it's been ab…

> The downside is, I miss the taste of coffee.

You can always put it in your mouth, and then spit it out.

Re: How To Break Your Daily Caffeine Habit And Use Coffee Strategically

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I have been off caffeine for 6 or so months now. I stopped cold-turkey before and went a whole year before joining my new job and free soda was too big to pass up.

I have found that being with caffeine has actually helped me tremendously, I don't feel jittery anymore, I am more alert, I am able to stay awake longer (that one was weird to me as well), I was less likely to feel mentally tired at the end of the day, and my sleep has never been better (although I still have a delayed sleep phase ... luckily my work lets me work on my own terms =))

I also kicked the soda habit, about 3 months after I kicked the caffeine habit, and it has also changed me. I drink a LOT of water now, and overall don't mind the taste. I stay away from most everything that contains high fructose corn syrup, and have found that I have less energy dips throughout my day, and since I can keep my blood sugar pretty constant throughout the day I don't have any major dips where I feel like I am crashing.

I used to be at the point where I would roll out of bed, drink a liter of Mountain Dew, then half a pot of coffee when I got to work, and at least another can or two of coke or something along those lines before lunch to try to kick-start my day. At some point I figured that I was dependent on caffeine much like a drug addict and that I did not like the fact that a chemical I was knowingly putting into my body was directing how I lived my life and what I bought for food.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? Meth is similar or safer in it's effects?

No. Sorry, I should have been more clear. There are other drugs often demonized that have much less stressful effects than caffeine on the body and have lower lethal doses. While there is a lot of scare-mongering about meth as well, obviously meth is not an example of one of those drugs. I apologize that I didn't make that distinction clearer.

Yeah, fair enough. Caffeine does tend to get off relatively easily, although I would argue there is good reason for that, when you compare it to alcohol and nicotine for instance...

Re: How To Break Your Daily Caffeine Habit And Use Coffee Strategically

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Genotype & Coffee:

“Coffee, I Must Have Coffee…”

http://spittoon.23andme.com/2011/04/18/coffee-i-must-have-co...

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"Caffeine Consumption "

https://www.23andme.com/health/caffeine-consumption/

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"Caffeine Metabolism"

https://www.23andme.com/health/Caffeine-Metabolism/

"Some people get jumpy after drinking a single cup of coffee, while others can gulp down a Venti Americano without feeling a thing. Part of that variability is due to the development of tolerance by regular coffee drinkers; but there are genetic differences in how people metabolize caffeine as well."

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http://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Caffeine

Re: How To Break Your Daily Caffeine Habit And Use Coffee Strategically

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Cold turkey from caffeine is hard, often involving lethargy and headaches for a few days.

But you can taper off. In my experience, tolerance/dependence can be reduced by acclimating to lower dosages without triggering the full withdrawal symptoms.

So when quitting, I've found it useful to progressively:

• substitute smaller coffees for larger

• mix in decaf grounds in growing proportion over several days

• substitute tea for coffee

• avoid caffeine between meals and have only one caffeinated drink at full meals

• get to just one drink in the morning and one to nurse all afternoon

• get to just one drink (usually tea) to nurse all day

After progressively less each day for a week or so, and reaching just a single cup-of-tea a day dosage, then cutting it off entirely becomes much easier, and no day of the process is like the worst day of cold turkey.

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I love the comments here. Screw the fact that it's a stimulant drug, it's "just caffeine". How many among the caffiene abusing crowd also go out of their way to demonize other, possibly less legal, drugs with similar or safer effects? Even ones with considerably lower lethal doses. "How to Break Your Daily Meth Habit And Use Meth Strategically". (edit, I'm not saying meth is an example of a drug "safer" than caffeine…

I'd imagine it's used by migrant/long-hours workers because it's relatively cheap (for the given effect), and quite readily available.

It's even licenced by the FDA for certain conditions such as ADHD, and exogenous obesity[1].

I believe (although I can't find a direct citation to justify it at the moment) that it's considered to be more damaging than other amphetamines (both psychologically "meth psychosis", and physically (cardiovascular stress).

There are a number of drugs with similar(ish) properties, although some of them are either illegal, or prescription only. Off the top of my head, there's Provigil (modafinil)[2], Khat (cathinone)[3], Coca leaves[4], and the various other non-caffeine forms of the xanthines (Yerba mate, Cocoa)[5].

In addition to those, there's the whole class of the stimulant Phenethylamines, (of which the * -amphetamines are a subset) although some of them have hallucinogenic effects which would limit their use as a performance enhancer.

The only one I would outright demonise is Methamphetamine, not necessarily purely due to the potential side effects, but due to the relative ease of (very poor quality) manufacture. This leads to a whole bunch of really nasty reaction side-products, on top of whatever cutting agents the distribution chain has added to maximise profits.

In any of these discussions, it's considered traditional to present Paul Erdős[6] as an example of productive amphetamine usage, so I will :)

On the topic of therapeutic index (therapeutic dose / ld50 dose), caffeine is probably one of the highest in my list above, with an LD50 of ~150mg/kg over a short period of time, and a productive dose being of the order of 100-1000mg/day depending on tolerance. Discounting time, that's a ratio of ~1/10.

[1] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Methamphetami...

[2] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Modafinil

[3] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Khat

[4] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Coca#Traditio...

[5] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Xanthine

[6] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Paul_Erd%C5%9...

Re: How To Break Your Daily Caffeine Habit And Use Coffee Strategically

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"Drink coffee and then take a 15 minute nap.". Advice like this makes it hard to take this article seriously. It's also a little thin on the data. Sure, it's an article on caffeine, so it'll rank on the geek sites, but do you feel richer or empowered after reading it? I used to drink about 5 cups of coffee a day. I stopped cold turkey and life didn't seem worth living. So I scaled back to one cup of really really FUC…

You mean "segue."

Re: How To Break Your Daily Caffeine Habit And Use Coffee Strategically

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"Drink coffee and then take a 15 minute nap.". Advice like this makes it hard to take this article seriously. It's also a little thin on the data. Sure, it's an article on caffeine, so it'll rank on the geek sites, but do you feel richer or empowered after reading it? I used to drink about 5 cups of coffee a day. I stopped cold turkey and life didn't seem worth living. So I scaled back to one cup of really really FUC…

>The only thing more expensive has passed through the asshole of a small cat-like creature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak

Re: How To Break Your Daily Caffeine Habit And Use Coffee Strategically

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"Drink coffee and then take a 15 minute nap.". Advice like this makes it hard to take this article seriously. It's also a little thin on the data. Sure, it's an article on caffeine, so it'll rank on the geek sites, but do you feel richer or empowered after reading it? I used to drink about 5 cups of coffee a day. I stopped cold turkey and life didn't seem worth living. So I scaled back to one cup of really really FUC…

Caffeine takes a while to kick in, if you use that time to take a nap then you will wake up with the benefit of the nap AND caffeine.
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