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Huh. There's a lot bands in the "Hate" section. Looking up the various names I'm finding various death metal and black metal bands. I can't help but wonder how many of those bands on are on that list because someone at Facebook took heavy metal imagery and lyrical themes too seriously and literally. More Edit: Turns out I picked a bad example. I missed reference to a name collision with an actual National Socialist b…

You’ve made an error.

There are multiple bands with the name “Sturmtruppen”. One is from Switzerland, formed in 1988. That is the one in the list. You have confused it with the German band from 1996, which changed its name to avoid confusion with the other band.

https://www.discogs.com/artist/1917747-Sturmtruppen

It has a Wikipedia page:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmtruppen_Skinheads

> In Deutschland wurde es wegen seiner überwiegend ausländerfeindlichen Texte von der Bundesprüfstelle für jugendgefährdende Medien indiziert.

> Mehrere Mitglieder der Band waren in der Nationalistischen Jugend Schweiz organisiert.

Re: Facebook Dangerous Individuals and Organizations List (Reproduced Snapshot)

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hm... Half of the Organizations in the "Hate: category seem to be based in Germany. Almost all of the Organizations in the "Terror" category seem to be Islamic. In the category "Crime" Brazil is overly represented. There seem to be a shocking amount of "Armed Militia Groups". I was surprised to find that "A.K. Chesterton" is affiliated with the "British Union of Fascists" ?? Is that correct? I seemed to be confusing…

Likely matches what the respective countries or organizations there put pressure on Facebook for, or which pose a legal problem for Facebook there. E.g. lots of German neonazi stuff in the hate category.

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post #3

Huh. There's a lot bands in the "Hate" section. Looking up the various names I'm finding various death metal and black metal bands. I can't help but wonder how many of those bands on are on that list because someone at Facebook took heavy metal imagery and lyrical themes too seriously and literally. More Edit: Turns out I picked a bad example. I missed reference to a name collision with an actual National Socialist b…

You’ve made an error. There are multiple bands with the name “Sturmtruppen”. One is from Switzerland, formed in 1988. That is the one in the list. You have confused it with the German band from 1996, which changed its name to avoid confusion with the other band. https://www.discogs.com/artist/1917747-Sturmtruppen It has a Wikipedia page: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmtruppen_Skinheads > In Deutschland wurde es w…

Indeed I have. I have edited my post to reflect that.

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They have Ted Kaczynski on that list despite the fact that he's in prison for the rest of his life, and that he wouldn't use Facebook even if he was out. Is his presence on this list an indicator that Facebook is paying more attention to users/groups that talk about him a lot or share his ideals?

They have a bunch of dead Nazis on that list, like Adolf Hitler, Rudolph Hess, and Adolf Eichmann.

Presumably these folks aren't using facebook so I can only assume that, uh, younger nazis have adopted these names as noms de guerre?

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They have Ted Kaczynski on that list despite the fact that he's in prison for the rest of his life, and that he wouldn't use Facebook even if he was out. Is his presence on this list an indicator that Facebook is paying more attention to users/groups that talk about him a lot or share his ideals?

Long dead Hitler and Goebbels are included too, but why stop there? Where's Joseph Stalin and Vlad the Impaler.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21083819/pages/facebo...

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Where are the left wing insurrectionist groups that terrorized Seattle and Portland last year? In Seattle they seceded from the US and shot six people with fully automatic weapons, in addition to thowing pipe bombs into occupied buildings.

Edit: Is it okay when we do it?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not that. They’re pretty clearly white supremacist / neonazi metal bands, and that’s definitely a thing.

Poe’s law applies, impossible to tell who is parody and who is genuine without being familiar with the source.

If you can't tell without being familiar with the source (aka almost everybody else), it doesn't really matter if white supremacist material is ironic/parody/joking or not

Re: Facebook Dangerous Individuals and Organizations List (Reproduced Snapshot)

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There's a lot of potential for false positives in a list like this.

"Houthis", one of the groups in the "Terror" list, is actually the name of an ethnicity in northern Yemen (which is currently in insurrection against the Saudi-backed government of Yemen). "Ammar", another, is also the name of the prostitutes' union here in Argentina, AMMAR, which is not to my knowledge a violent group (despite having had one of their leaders assassinated). "Taliban" literally means "seminary students". I'm guessing there are a lot of "Tamil Foundations for X" in India, given that there are almost 80 million Tamils in India, Sri Lanka, and Malaysia. 5 million people live in Michoacán, and any of their families would be a "familia michoacana" in Spanish. "Sureños" are people from the South, which could mean South America or the Southern United States. "Asatru" is commonly used as the term for attempted revivals of pre-Christian Scandinavian religion (you know, the one with Thor and Freya and Odin); some factions are super racist (this is why Nazi SS uniforms used the "S" rune) while others reject racism. It's easy to imagine French speakers seeking "egalité et réconciliation" without endorsing the hate group. And of course there are a number of people out there named "Ben Jones", "Arthur Jones", "Charlie Fox", "Ian Stuart", "James Mason", "Jared Taylor", "Mario Machado", "Richard Spencer", "Robert Ray", "Alejandro Estrada", "Mario Jackson", "Omar Romero", "Abdul Aziz", "Abdul Jabbar", "Hafiz Saeed", "Mohammad Hejazi", "Mohammed Omar", and "Omar Hussain", and any of the numerous Hassans from Baghdad could reasonably be called "Hassan al-Baghdadi".

In many cases the names on the list are of people who died many generations ago, so the evident intent is not even to prevent them from setting up Facebook accounts, but to prevent others from discussing them on Facebook; that is, to suppress comments like this one.

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However, aside from questions of false positives, the broader issue is that nominally the issue over which the Cold War was fought was over whether to have such a list of prohibited groups and dangerous individuals whose voice was too dangerous to allow people to hear it, or subjects too dangerous to allow people to discuss them; the USSR argued that it was essential, the US that it was intolerable, in both cases somewhat inconsistently. This theory of liberalism was fundamental to the foundation of the US — not, as some would argue, as a mere limitation on government action, but as a fundamental aspect of what distinguishes a good society from a bad one.

So it's disquieting to see liberalism so thoroughly rejected by modern centralized communications media.

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