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Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by lazide »

Covzire wrote: post #610
lazide wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you figure this is not informed, not consensual (you can and apparently are opting out), or propaganda - since you know, I’ve actually experienced it, read the material, found the research and actually read it with a cynical eye and found it sufficiently sound to do it. If you have actual data that adverse reactions are more common, please do share. Having had the worse reaction of the 20+ people I’ve talked t…

You aren't informed because most information is being carefully censored. You can't possibly be scientifically well informed. Censorship of science by definition destroys science, and you're only parroting all the SV-approved narratives. There are many people have died and had severe reactions to the vaccine shortly after getting them. Look at VAERS, look at claims that even VAERS is greatly under reported. look at h…

If a friend wrote what you just did, to what I did, what would you tell them?

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Post by Covzire »

lazide wrote: post #611
Covzire wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You aren't informed because most information is being carefully censored. You can't possibly be scientifically well informed. Censorship of science by definition destroys science, and you're only parroting all the SV-approved narratives. There are many people have died and had severe reactions to the vaccine shortly after getting them. Look at VAERS, look at claims that even VAERS is greatly under reported. look at h…

If a friend wrote what you just did, to what I did, what would you tell them?

If you're trying to gaslight me, save it.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by bobthepanda »

WalterBright wrote: post #537
ethanbond wrote: post #372

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Nobody is wondering anything. Advantages are obvious. They were wondering why you’d prioritize that over the aircraft’s ability to stay in the air.

I've followed many 737MAX threads on HN, and they sure did dismiss this issue. It was always "why didn't they design a whole new airplane from the ground up". > why you’d prioritize that over the aircraft’s ability to stay in the air. This is an egregious misunderstanding. There was nothing wrong with the purpose of the the MCAS system nor the concept of it. What went wrong was its failure to follow the dual path des…

To be fair, there is more than one way to skin a cat, though it wouldn’t have worked for Southwest.

They could’ve made a small sized aircraft that had commonality with the 787 rather than the 737.

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Post by dang »

shartacct wrote: post #557
downandout wrote: post #555

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Your comment has been flagged, but beyond that, I said nothing about being hesitant about the vaccine. I am vaccinated. I believe the mandates are flawed, largely because they don't take natural immunity into account. I have said none of the things you're accusing me of saying.

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We've banned this account—you can't post like this regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by WalterBright »

ethanbond wrote: post #586
WalterBright wrote: post #537

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I've followed many 737MAX threads on HN, and they sure did dismiss this issue. It was always "why didn't they design a whole new airplane from the ground up". > why you’d prioritize that over the aircraft’s ability to stay in the air. This is an egregious misunderstanding. There was nothing wrong with the purpose of the the MCAS system nor the concept of it. What went wrong was its failure to follow the dual path des…

IIRC a few 737MAXs fell out of the sky. Clearly there being nothing wrong with the purpose nor concept of MCAS wasn't sufficient to keep the airplane from crashing.

If the wheels fall off your car, is the problem with the purpose or concept of wheels, or is the problem with weak axles?

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by dang »

downandout wrote: post #558
shartacct wrote: post #557

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I flagged that comment for wishing me and my children dead, and this one for calling me a "dumbfuck". And nothing I have posted is FUD, nor is it anti-vaccine.

Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by WalterBright »

hef19898 wrote: post #593
ethanbond wrote: post #586

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IIRC a few 737MAXs fell out of the sky. Clearly there being nothing wrong with the purpose nor concept of MCAS wasn't sufficient to keep the airplane from crashing.

MCAS in itself doesn't seem to have been the problem. The fact that MCAS relied on a single sensor (no idea how that got certified in the first place) and that pilot were not aware of MCAS and how it worked were the problems. The latter was due to Boeing trying to avoid re-training and re-certification of air crew.

> pilot were not aware of MCAS and how it worked were the problems

If the pilots followed runaway trim procedure, which is how the MCAS failure manifested, they would have been fine. In fact, that's what the other unmentioned crew of a 737MAX did that survived MCAS malfunction and landed without incident.

Boeing issued an Emergency Airworthiness Directive about the procedure, which the Egyptian Air pilots didn't follow, either.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by dang »

nemothekid wrote: post #284
downandout wrote: post #281

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I deleted a tweet in the comment that was an afterthought, not the comment itself. The comment itself still holds true. I am not an anti-vaxxer, and you couldn't have drawn that conclusion if you had actually read the comment. I was simply stating why this happened. I don't like that it's happening anymore than you apparently do, nor did I render any opinion on whether or not I agreed with the pilots and ATCs that ar…

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Would you please not post flamewar comments to HN, regardless of what other people are doing and/or how wrong they are or you feel they are?

We're trying for a different site here, and feeding the flames is the opposite of it. It just makes things worse.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Note this one: "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." (a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls)

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Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by dang »

downandout wrote: post #286
nemothekid wrote: post #284

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Where did I say that I was surprised? I knew that most people wouldn't read the comment. Both vaccine zealots and anti-vaxxers tend to fly off the handle after reading a word or two that they disagree with and make the rest up in their head. I didn't make anything up, I was merely posting what someone else said and which is the only reasonable explanation for what is happening. Since you're deriding mine, you seem to…

Please stop taking HN threads further into flamewar.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by Cederfjard »

EricE wrote: post #602
Cederfjard wrote: post #492

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No one has suggested forcibly injecting anyone. But sure, not allowing people who aren’t vaccinated to participate in all facets of society can be construed as a type of force. Unlike you I see that as reasonable.

>not allowing people who aren’t vaccinated to participate in all facets of society can be construed as a type of force. "Not allowing" - how are you going to "not allow" without using force of some sort?

Yes, there’s force backing those prohibitions (I literally mention that in the sentence you quoted), but what I wrote was that no one is talking about forcefully injecting anyone. You can decline the vaccine, parts of the rest of society just won’t allow you to interact with them. But if you’re the type to value your negative liberty that much, I’m sure you can manage without?
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