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Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by masterof0 »

87er43 wrote: post #258
masterof0 wrote: post #254

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You have the right to not get the vaccine, but you do not have the right to put other people at risk. Private companies can and will employ/fire anyone for any reason. That's one of our freedoms (in the US), the freedom of not having to work with as**oles that want to put others at risk. True freedom if you ask me.

True freedom is getting fired for hesitation over experimental medicine. People with hesitation are assholes who want to put others at risk. It's so clear now.

It seems that is not experimental anymore, https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-appr....

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Post by justinclift »

brokenmachine wrote: post #202
0xdeadb00f wrote: post #157

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I know people who go so far the other way. They don't vote because they think it's all rigged. They don't follow politics so they think all the parties are the same. It's moronic. I try to explain but I'm met with looks like _I'm_ the moron.

Which privacy-respecting party do you vote for?

https://reason.org.au

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Post by iammisc »

aunty_helen wrote: post #247
hulahoof wrote: post #35

The problem is that it is very easy to have a decent life here in Australia. We have never had to feel the full force of the repercussions of our voting or policies and as such there is an apathy towards the direction of government policies, at least within my age group - "I don't care they can have my meme's" or some variation of "I have nothing to hide" is the most common attitude. Unfortunately, by the time the ef…

>We have never had to feel the full force of the repercussions of our voting or policies I would suggest that the restrictions on Australians being able to _leave_ the country has been a direct result of their poor voting choices. However tying the two together seems to approach conspiracy theory level of thinking. I'm not sure if it's the same in Australia, but in NZ there's another saying that really kills me as it…

Don't give your guns away next time.

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Post by iammisc »

taitems wrote: post #198
psychlops wrote: post #186

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Sorry, I wasn't disagreeing with your numbers. I mean that the procedures Australia implemented slowed the virus, but that inevitably Covid will go through the country and there will be a surge. Be it in breakthrough cases like Israel or the unvaccinated.

That's all good, it's why I asked what you meant. I think we've done a fantastic job of flattening the curve here compared to places like the US/UK. As long as we can continue to be on the right side of an ICU tipping point we should continue to ride this out.

How long will you do a great job flattening the curve. If t requires fifty years of this policy because covid is still endemic elsewhere will you be okay with people being born, living and dying under your current regime? If so why? If not why not?

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Post by aunty_helen »

iammisc wrote: post #263
aunty_helen wrote: post #247

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>We have never had to feel the full force of the repercussions of our voting or policies I would suggest that the restrictions on Australians being able to _leave_ the country has been a direct result of their poor voting choices. However tying the two together seems to approach conspiracy theory level of thinking. I'm not sure if it's the same in Australia, but in NZ there's another saying that really kills me as it…

Don't give your guns away next time.

Funny because I actually used to go deer hunting with a WW1 .303 rifle.

I don’t think the lack of guns is the problem. My family are keen hunters and have a > 1:1 ratio of guns to people.

The apathy and lack of involvement in political processes along with the boiling frog are what I see as the problem.

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Post by iammisc »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #248
version_five wrote: post #86

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Per my other comment, this is one of the tyrannical neighbors that wants to control you. Should he / she really have a say in what you are able to do? I find the idea horrifying.

Your liberties end where they affect someone else. It’s why we have laws. You’re free to not get vaccinated and house up in your home and never leave. But once you go into public, your sickness affects other people, and those people can die.

No they don't. You have the liberty to assemble peacefully even if they inconvenience or upset someone else. You have the liberty to have privacy against the government, who must make an actual substantiated accusation and get a warrant to invade your privacy even if you really did commit a crime. You have the right to face your accuser even if that will emotionally harm them

So no... Your rights of life and liberty are inalienable.

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Post by iammisc »

strawhatguy wrote: post #94
ryandrake wrote: post #85

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The words “tyranny” and “authoritarian” have become so overused since 2020 it’s almost comical. All over the English speaking world, not just Australia. Every little thing an authority does that someone doesn’t like is now called tyranny. Masks are tyranny. Vaccines are tyranny. Kicking a jerk out of your store is tyranny. The word has been watered down and exaggerated to the point of meaninglessness. After the boy c…

Why, it's almost like said authority ought to do less, and order less, doesn't it? Like people should be asked, rather than told? The nerve!

Seriously this is an amazing shift of the Overton window.

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Post by iammisc »

paranoidrobot wrote: post #55
chroem- wrote: post #3

It's been an odd experience having a few Australian HN posters attempt to rationalize to me why their police are justified in shooting people who leave their homes with rubber bullets, and why it's normal to be required to take surveillance photos of themselves in their own residences. I guess strict authoritarianism must be accompanied with equally strict media propaganda.

> shooting people who leave their homes with rubber bullets, Talk about misrepresenting facts to mislead. People who were rioting were met with force. These protesters weren't being peaceful, they were attacking camera crews and reporters. They were assaulting police officers. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/21/victo... > it's normal to be required to take surveillance photos of themselves in thei…

You know as much as I hated the rowdy George Floyd protestors in my city of Portland, I'm glad my government faces responsibility instead of blind acceptance by its constituents

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Post by CountDrewku »

angelzen wrote: post #260
CountDrewku wrote: post #253

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I misunderstood the comment. I didn't realize there were BLM protests in Australia. Strange that there are people who think the Australian government is systemically racist but then are fine with authoritarian lockdowns coming from that same government though.

Why is this strange? Turns out there is a lot of people that see no problem with collective guilt by spreadsheet and scapegoating of those caught on the wrong side of said spreadsheet.

I have no idea what your point is with that comment. If you think the government in place is a result of centuries of systemically corrupt oppression and then you turn around place faith in that same systemically evil government you're either drowning in cognitive dissonance or you're just a hypocritical authoritarian that's ok with the "evil" as long as it puts your agenda in place.

The 3rd alternative is that you're not aware of what BLM means when they discuss systemic racism. It is not just guilt, it opines that the entirety of western civilization is corrupt due to it's creation by racist evil white men.

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