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Major nuclear fusion milestone reached as ‘ignition’ triggered in a lab

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Re: Major nuclear fusion milestone reached as ‘ignition’ triggered in a lab

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Sweet, nucluear fusion now must only be 20 years away!

20 years ago we were joking about it being 40 year away. So yes, it is timely progress. I am still bitter that we don't invest more on this research which has the potential to solve the climate crisis "unexpectedly".

I'm somehow afraid of a world in which huge amounts of energy can be wasted without having a bad conscience. Probably it would lead to some new problems.

Re: Major nuclear fusion milestone reached as ‘ignition’ triggered in a lab

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Meta-question about fusion energy -something I don't understand about the movement. I spent a few years as CTO of a company providing heat-to-electricity plants. We financed and built them off high-heat plants like natural gas turbines. The "fuel" was heat going up the stack - so it was essentially free. We still couldn't compete with conventional electricity plants, even with a $30/tonne price on carbon in Canada. G…

It's political. Taxes on carbon pollution are inevitable, but for the time being there is still political blockage because of the power of the cartels.

Re: Major nuclear fusion milestone reached as ‘ignition’ triggered in a lab

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heat pollution. Green house gasses are not the only way to cook ourselves. Though there are some people working on beaming heat into space, I suspect they haven’t fully accounted for heat absorption by atmospheric dust.

It'd be interesting to ponder whether such a "heat ray" would work, in terms of thermodynamics. Some kind of heat pump, the hot side of which is hot enough to radiate into space? I can't imagine that having a net cooling effect when considering the Carnot efficiency of a refrigeration cycle. Maybe a giant ice machine in space? (Then again, any ice would probably create more heating than cooling as it enters our gravi…

I’m… cautious but optimistic. They have actual installations so it must not be complete bullshit.

Absorption and emission bands matter. They are in fact made of exotic materials (rare earths IIRC) so it’s at least plausible.

Re: Major nuclear fusion milestone reached as ‘ignition’ triggered in a lab

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> Fusion ignition is the point at which a nuclear fusion reaction becomes self-sustaining. This occurs when the energy being given off by the fusion reactions heats the fuel mass more rapidly than various loss mechanisms cool it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_ignition

It should be noted that 'self sustaining' only means that the entire pellet undergoes fusion. The process still stops after a few instants of time, requiring a new pellet of fuel, a new laser burst (consuming at least twenty times the power that gets deposited in the plasma), and worst of all, a new monumentally expensive hohlraum, machined to nanometer precision.

Re: Major nuclear fusion milestone reached as ‘ignition’ triggered in a lab

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would more cheap (in all ways) energy be a bad thing? I don't think so, people pay money for that sort of thing.

Heat pollution. Green house gasses are not the only way to cook ourselves. Though there are some people working on beaming heat into space, I suspect they haven’t fully accounted for heat absorption by atmospheric dust.

I'm guessing any possible energy generated by manmade fusion plants would be miniscule compared to that hitting the earth from the sun every day.

Re: Major nuclear fusion milestone reached as ‘ignition’ triggered in a lab

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Meta-question about fusion energy -something I don't understand about the movement. I spent a few years as CTO of a company providing heat-to-electricity plants. We financed and built them off high-heat plants like natural gas turbines. The "fuel" was heat going up the stack - so it was essentially free. We still couldn't compete with conventional electricity plants, even with a $30/tonne price on carbon in Canada. G…

How come? Conventional electricity plants also convert heat to electricity. That doesn't sound fundamentally different from your business.

Was your input temperature too low? That would explain it. At low temperature differential, you have lower efficiency and need much bigger machinery for the same output.

That said, fusion has a chance to be competitive, because the temperature will be higher. (Obviously, the thermodynamic limit is in the billions of Kelvin, but a practical power conversion system will operate in the range of 500-1000 Celsius.) But for the foreseeable future, it won't be competitive.

Re: Major nuclear fusion milestone reached as ‘ignition’ triggered in a lab

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@dang This was reported and discussed 12 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28704298

The important thing to know is that the NIF is about nuclear weapons design (verification of modeling software used for nuclear weapons design), not about developing fusion power plants.

Re: Major nuclear fusion milestone reached as ‘ignition’ triggered in a lab

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

20 years ago we were joking about it being 40 year away. So yes, it is timely progress. I am still bitter that we don't invest more on this research which has the potential to solve the climate crisis "unexpectedly".

I'm somehow afraid of a world in which huge amounts of energy can be wasted without having a bad conscience. Probably it would lead to some new problems.

Just think of all the personal data you could collect!

Re: Major nuclear fusion milestone reached as ‘ignition’ triggered in a lab

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post #72
post #61

Meta-question about fusion energy -something I don't understand about the movement. I spent a few years as CTO of a company providing heat-to-electricity plants. We financed and built them off high-heat plants like natural gas turbines. The "fuel" was heat going up the stack - so it was essentially free. We still couldn't compete with conventional electricity plants, even with a $30/tonne price on carbon in Canada. G…

It's political. Taxes on carbon pollution are inevitable, but for the time being there is still political blockage because of the power of the cartels.

I wish it were just cartels that oppose a carbon price. The fact is it will make certain industries shrink, and almost no country in the world (certainly not the US) does much to take care of displaced workers, and the workers know it. Meanwhile the people who will have jobs in the new industries that spring up don't know it yet, so they don't fight for it.
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