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Post by stjohnswarts »

psychlops wrote: post #186
taitems wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean but the Florida 50x metric not standing the test of time? Even if you were to look at it on a national level, the US death rate per million is 2,142, the Australian death rate per million is... 56. That's a 38x rate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_death_rates_...

Sorry, I wasn't disagreeing with your numbers. I mean that the procedures Australia implemented slowed the virus, but that inevitably Covid will go through the country and there will be a surge. Be it in breakthrough cases like Israel or the unvaccinated.

An vaccines and medications have become significantly more successful. Probably enough to make it not much worse than the flu soon

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

justinmcp wrote: post #188
taitems wrote: post #64

Cries of "Tyranny!" and "Give me liberty or give me death" are imported concepts that don't resonate quite as well here in Australia. The pearl clutching "Save Australia" protests were good for a chuckle[1], but are also accompanied by people advocating we rise up and murder our police[2]? When Florida has 50x the per capita death rate than that of Australia, it's pretty clear that the US chose liberty AND death[3].…

> Cries of "Tyranny!" and "Give me liberty or give me death" are imported concepts that don't resonate quite as well here in Australia. Maybe literally with those sayings, but up until sometime in the 80s, "its a free country" was a common refrain, which was rooted in the culture and expectations of the people. Something changed though.

Huh! Amazing!

That’s something we used to say as children to each other at school.

I’m now 40 amd don’t recall the last time I heard anyone say that.

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

brystarg wrote: post #155
bobbytit wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia is a fake democracy so our citizens are powerless to do anything about it. Our politicians are chosen by corrupt ethnic branch stackers. The globalists have succeeded in dividing and conquering Australia through the trojan horse of multiculturalism.

as a non-white Australian immigrant, what is this trojan horse of multiculturalism you are talking about?

I’m not making a statement about my thoughts on the matter at all.

There’s a Wikipedia article might be a good place to start if too haven’t read any criticism of multiculturalism:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_multiculturalis...

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Post by bobbytit »

0xdeadb00f wrote: post #208
brokenmachine wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which privacy-respecting party do you vote for?

Both/most parties are complicit in privacy invasions. I just assume whoever I vote for will invade my privacy. So I don't vote based on that. I vote based on the other remaining factors that they _do_ differ on.

I do not think you are in any position to be calling anyone else a moron.

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Post by 0xdeadb00f »

bobbytit wrote: post #214
0xdeadb00f wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both/most parties are complicit in privacy invasions. I just assume whoever I vote for will invade my privacy. So I don't vote based on that. I vote based on the other remaining factors that they _do_ differ on.

I do not think you are in any position to be calling anyone else a moron.

How about explain why you disagree? Instead of saying shit like that? Also I never called anyone a moron outright.

There is more to a political party than their stance on a single issue. If you can't see that then you are a moron. And yes, I did just call you that, outright.

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Post by 0xdeadb00f »

Tomis02 wrote: post #207
0xdeadb00f wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have come to a similar conclusion. Where the fuck am I supposed to go? Everywhere has problems, shit laws, and social issues.

I don't mean to offend you but this is very funny. Immigrants from 3rd world countries are often told "why don't you stay at home and fix your own country?" Well, I guess we've come full circle, it's bad everywhere.

No I agree with you, i take no offence. I see the irony here completely. Especially given Australia's absolutely draconian laws and treatment of asylum seekers.

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Post by bobbytit »

0xdeadb00f wrote: post #215
bobbytit wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not think you are in any position to be calling anyone else a moron.

How about explain why you disagree? Instead of saying shit like that? Also I never called anyone a moron outright. There is more to a political party than their stance on a single issue. If you can't see that then you are a moron. And yes, I did just call you that, outright.

What you are describing is a fake democracy. You are given the choice between two cheeks of the same arse. Don't be too quick to confuse stupidity with a difference of opinion.

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Post by ceejayoz »

psychlops wrote: post #186
taitems wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean but the Florida 50x metric not standing the test of time? Even if you were to look at it on a national level, the US death rate per million is 2,142, the Australian death rate per million is... 56. That's a 38x rate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_death_rates_...

Sorry, I wasn't disagreeing with your numbers. I mean that the procedures Australia implemented slowed the virus, but that inevitably Covid will go through the country and there will be a surge. Be it in breakthrough cases like Israel or the unvaccinated.

A surge in cases, but there's unlikely to be the same surge in deaths if Australia's vaccination campaign continues to be successful.

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

Well, we know that mass surveillance has been installed in the USA, we have detailed proof of it, and this hasn't change a thing. They are still under mass surveillance.

And people are still carrying trackers in their pocker. They put cameras in the front door bell, always online microphones with speech analysis in their living room, give all their life records, textual or in images, to giants companies that have demonstrated the ability to store and analyse that forever.

People don't use more free software. They look at you like you are mad if you don't want to install whatsapp. Even in HN we have people still wondering why we should use Firefox.

Why would we be judging Australians as "complacent" ? Humanity is complacent.

I've been told the boiling frog is a myth, but I'm pretty sure frogs are talking about boiling humans as a telling metaphore.

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Post by ceejayoz »

0xy wrote: post #128
Tomis02 wrote: post #69

Australian soldiers committing war crimes in Afghanistan? Nobody bats an eyelid. Can't go to Kmart because the government tries to fight the pandemic? Riots in the streets. And you're surprised there's complacency to digital surveillance, when people are more outraged by slight personal discomfort than by murder. It's not even criticism, just an observation. People are very comfortable in their bubble and do not care…

Boiling the current lockdown regime to "can't shop in stores" is needlessly dismissive and reductionist. The current policy in Australia is that foreign citizens are forbidden from leaving the country. This violates numerous international agreements on the freedom of movement for citizens, including ones Australia is signatory to. The only other countries preventing exit of foreign citizens are names like North Korea…

> The current policy in Australia is that foreign citizens are forbidden from leaving the country. This violates numerous international agreements on the freedom of movement for citizens, including ones Australia is signatory to. The only other countries preventing exit of foreign citizens are names like North Korea, China and others.

Only if you're a permanent resident of Australia.

https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/leaving-australia

> If you are an Australian citizen or a permanent resident you cannot leave Australia due to COVID-19 restrictions unless you have an exemption.

> Due to the current COVID-19 situation in Australia, including state and territory border restrictions, business closures and social distancing requirements, international visitors are encouraged to return home when possible to do so.

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