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Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Post by systemvoltage »

throwawaysea wrote: post #50
systemvoltage wrote: post #48

I am contemplating exactly what is the motivation for me to actively, pick up the proverbial pitch fork, get worked up and go out on a some ideological battle on Twitter? Life is too interesting to waste time on cancel-culture-activism. Cancelling others would guarantee never winning them back again for your cause. Defend your stance not through suppression of others but an irresistable pull to the same appeal that s…

I share your second guessing about religion and have wondered if losing it will simply lead to it being reinvented. However I am not sure cancel culture activists are looking to win anyone over. It’s more that they want to use fear and consequence to deter and suppress others, in particular to keep them from expressing ideas that oppose their own ideology. The idea is to let the opposing side starve itself out while…

I was primarily referring to online-activism, but agree with your broader view. I said this a few days ago[1] that I'll be voting for anyone that opposes strong ideological political motifs. If one can't defend their stance with reason and civilized discourse, then I am automatically turned off from that ideology. It's gotta stand the test of debate, science, truth, generally accepted morals, justice and fairness. Mob thinking, poor reasoning and supression needs to be called out and exposed (not supressed).

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28694359

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Post by smitty1e »

speeddemon wrote: post #13
rc2634 wrote: post #2

Glad at least someone is standing up to Twitter mobs. The special is a statement against Twitter mobs, and how dangerous they can be for innocent individuals just expressing their opinions. Chappele’s trans friend most likely committed suicide because of intense Twitter bullying for defending Chappelle. We can’t keep letting Twitter mobs destroy people’s lives.

The phrase "twitter mob" is dehumanizing, I really suggest you stop using that phrase like that. Consider the individual and why some statements may have caused them to become upset. Consider that some people may be speaking out on social media because their lives are threatened, and dismissing them as part of a "twitter mob" doesn't help at all. Consider that if someone has a platform of millions of followers and is…

If "twitter mob" is dehumanizing, then we really have to cut to the heart of the matter and cancel the English language and Roman alphabet.

Anything less than utter nihilistic rejection of all aspects of Western civilization is, at some level, agreeing with and abetting the Binary Intersectional Tyrannical Cis-Hetero Slave Lord Anti-woke Patriarchy (BITCHSLAP).

Or are we not woke enough yet?

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Post by sofixa »

systemvoltage wrote: post #48

I am contemplating exactly what is the motivation for me to actively, pick up the proverbial pitch fork, get worked up and go out on a some ideological battle on Twitter? Life is too interesting to waste time on cancel-culture-activism. Cancelling others would guarantee never winning them back again for your cause. Defend your stance not through suppression of others but an irresistable pull to the same appeal that s…

Meh, look at it this way:

You saw/heard/etc. something you consider abhorrent ( e.g. shout racial slurs at a teenage footballer, sexually assaulted someone, etc.). You can't believe such people exist, and can't even remotely relate to them. You're pissed, terrified that those people exist and they seem to suffer no consequences for their actions. So what do you do? Good old boycotts.

I think that the whole thing ( "cancel culture" ) is overblown, on both sides of it. There are absolutely terrible people who should just shut up and be deservedly ostracized for their abhorrent actions, but it sometimes goes too far for too little; and on the other hand people who scream "free speech" when a bigot gets fired for shouting racial slurs aren't helping anyone and make themselves look sympathetic to said bigot.

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Post by rc2634 »

sofixa wrote: post #56
systemvoltage wrote: post #48

I am contemplating exactly what is the motivation for me to actively, pick up the proverbial pitch fork, get worked up and go out on a some ideological battle on Twitter? Life is too interesting to waste time on cancel-culture-activism. Cancelling others would guarantee never winning them back again for your cause. Defend your stance not through suppression of others but an irresistable pull to the same appeal that s…

Meh, look at it this way: You saw/heard/etc. something you consider abhorrent ( e.g. shout racial slurs at a teenage footballer, sexually assaulted someone, etc.). You can't believe such people exist, and can't even remotely relate to them. You're pissed, terrified that those people exist and they seem to suffer no consequences for their actions. So what do you do? Good old boycotts. I think that the whole thing ( "c…

Boycotting and demanding bans are not the same thing. Boycotting means simply not engaging with whatever you find offensive. Finding something offensive doesn’t give you the right to demand that it’s banned and removed.

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Post by dang »

kongin wrote: post #32
labster wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Post by tptacek »

racl101 wrote: post #19

Sound business decision. The audience score is high, lots of high balls too. Eh, not his best work. Nevertheless, the worst Chappelle special is still better than the best of most other comedians.

"The Closer" is worse than the least of the Bill Burr specials. I don't think Bill Burr is a comic genius or anything, but his approach to high-voltage cultural subjects is the same (both Chappelle and Burr make a point of walking audiences up to and across taboo subjects; it's a flex, winning audiences back after losing them to a line like "Space Jews"). I do like Bill Burr, but before this special I would have said that Chappelle is categorically better at this kind of comedy. Now he isn't. It's sad.

Parker Molloy wrote a piece about how "The Closer" isn't transphobic, just tired and unfunny. In it, they quote another comedian asking, "oh, so we can just steal edgy jokes from Reddit now?" That about sums the whole thing up.

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Post by h4ngw1t3tr4sh »

tptacek wrote: post #7

They shouldn't take it down. But it's bad. It's his worst work; the kind of thing you toss off to fulfill a contract obligation. Every bit in it is predictable, mostly because it's almost all rehashed from previous specials. Kevin Hart's bid to host the Oscars? Why not work a Lorena Bobbitt joke in there while you're at it? He refers to himself as the GOAT in this special, but Bill Burr does this stuff 1000x better t…

I see you have changed your tactics. Just call it bad instead of trying to attack it ideologically because you know it won’t stick.

You’re as dishonest as always. And you know very well that if Daphne was bullied to death by any other than her own “tribe” cnn and yourself would call it “lynching”, but here you objecting to it. Hilarious, as I said, dishonest as ever.

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