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Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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You know who wouldn't have much patience for using that word that way? Dave Chappelle. I don't know what "her own people" means here, but Dave Chappelle sums Twitter up the way many of his supporters here do as well: "not real".

"You know who wouldn't have much patience for using that word that way? Dave Chappelle." Did you ask him?

No, I just watched him make that point repeatedly over the last several specials, notably including this one in the DaBaby bit.

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Sound business decision. The audience score is high, lots of high balls too. Eh, not his best work. Nevertheless, the worst Chappelle special is still better than the best of most other comedians.

Ahaha, well said. I saw the special and enjoyed it. Still, it wasn't legendary like his other work, but some of it was pretty hilarious.

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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They shouldn't take it down. But it's bad. It's his worst work; the kind of thing you toss off to fulfill a contract obligation. Every bit in it is predictable, mostly because it's almost all rehashed from previous specials. Kevin Hart's bid to host the Oscars? Why not work a Lorena Bobbitt joke in there while you're at it? He refers to himself as the GOAT in this special, but Bill Burr does this stuff 1000x better t…

If you're the GOAT, no need to tell people because they already know

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Good, but Netflix needs to extend the same “creative freedom” more broadly than just stand up comedy. Neither JK Rowling nor Dave Chapelle nor anyone else should be cancelled for expressing an opinion on a controversial topic that is ultimately based on social consensus and has lots of room for interpretation and differences of opinion. But other content should also be similarly unmoderated and reflect a diversity of…

People really acting like he's a philosopher or canary in th coal mine.

I mean, comedians have done both of those things throughout history. Obviously not every joke or every act but there is much commentary, philosophy, etc. to be found in comedy

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Twitter mob is perfectly acceptable since large portions of those groups are Russian bots aiming to destabilize the US.

Please show proof of that in the specific instance you're talking about before dismissing someone as "part of a mob" or a "bot". Studies I've seen show that it's not always bots. Some people actually just do get mad when you say cruel things about them.

Here's BLM being infiltrated by the Russians to make Americans distrust the police: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/07/24/russias-d...

They even followed my advice of moving to West Africa to reduce the costs of English speaking content creation.

https://www.advocate.com/politics/2018/5/11/russian-trolls-f...

Here is them doing it in 2016 for trans rights groups. The more outlandish the content the more likely it was posted by Russian trolls. The terminally online have to beat out Russian troll operations for outrage clicks so are furthering the Russian agenda even if they don't realize it.

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please show proof of that in the specific instance you're talking about before dismissing someone as "part of a mob" or a "bot". Studies I've seen show that it's not always bots. Some people actually just do get mad when you say cruel things about them.

Here's BLM being infiltrated by the Russians to make Americans distrust the police: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/07/24/russias-d... They even followed my advice of moving to West Africa to reduce the costs of English speaking content creation. https://www.advocate.com/politics/2018/5/11/russian-trolls-f... Here is them doing it in 2016 for trans rights groups. The more outlandish the content the more…

I've heard plenty of those stories, I'm asking about this specific instance. Your first article is talking about something unrelated to this, and the second is something that happened three years ago.

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's BLM being infiltrated by the Russians to make Americans distrust the police: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/07/24/russias-d... They even followed my advice of moving to West Africa to reduce the costs of English speaking content creation. https://www.advocate.com/politics/2018/5/11/russian-trolls-f... Here is them doing it in 2016 for trans rights groups. The more outlandish the content the more…

I've heard plenty of those stories, I'm asking about this specific instance. Your first article is talking about something unrelated to this, and the second is something that happened three years ago.

Damn, I forgot to renew my license for the live feed of current FSB operations.

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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I am contemplating exactly what is the motivation for me to actively, pick up the proverbial pitch fork, get worked up and go out on a some ideological battle on Twitter? Life is too interesting to waste time on cancel-culture-activism. Cancelling others would guarantee never winning them back again for your cause. Defend your stance not through suppression of others but an irresistable pull to the same appeal that solidified your ideology - whatever that may be. Market your ideas with grace, respect, dignity and honesty. I now feel like religion was a kind of a good idea to keep monsters within all of us in check.

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Mentions to cancel culture always make me remember a particular quote by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe: "Distrust those in whom the desire to punish is strong." It is very sad to me that Daphne (the trans woman who committed suicide) got lynched by the LGBTQ+ community for defending Dave Chappelle because she actually knew him personally and that those jokes were just that, jokes. Having watched the special, I felt real…

Nobody was lynched, and "the" LGBTQ+ didn't do anything here.

If some cis groups were to have bullied an LGBTQ person on Twitter to the point where they killed themselves, it would be a national story, and the term 'lynching' would be used by some.

We need the old ACLU back.

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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I am contemplating exactly what is the motivation for me to actively, pick up the proverbial pitch fork, get worked up and go out on a some ideological battle on Twitter? Life is too interesting to waste time on cancel-culture-activism. Cancelling others would guarantee never winning them back again for your cause. Defend your stance not through suppression of others but an irresistable pull to the same appeal that s…

I share your second guessing about religion and have wondered if losing it will simply lead to it being reinvented. However I am not sure cancel culture activists are looking to win anyone over. It’s more that they want to use fear and consequence to deter and suppress others, in particular to keep them from expressing ideas that oppose their own ideology. The idea is to let the opposing side starve itself out while only your ideas dominate and propagandize the next generation of minds. It’s the same tactic advocated by authoritarians of all political persuasions.
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