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Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Post by deanCommie »

0xy wrote: post #6

The Closer has a 97% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes, indicating universal acclaim among real people (not Twitter activists and "critics"). Twitter remains in the status of "not real life". The screeching of rabid activists on Twitter who can't take a joke without being deeply offended is irrelevant to public discourse. Everyone knows they're ridiculous and dangerous (censoring comedy strips away the most important…

> The Closer has a 97% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes, indicating universal acclaim among real people

These are usually gamed by culture warriors - positively and negatively. They are virtue signalling support not commenting on the quality of the work.

I say this as someone who is A) hugely supportive of trans rights, B) thought the special is not worthy of the vitriol it is getting - though it surely does have a lot of blind spots, and C) pretty mediocre as far as standup comedy specials go.

I'm a huge Dave Chapelle fan. I've watched and re-watched all of his specials up to now. But Sticks and Stones and The Closer are both multiple notches below his usual high standards. They will not be remembered positively as far as having anything worthwhile to say about society or being funny.

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Post by Snoozle »

speeddemon wrote: post #13
rc2634 wrote: post #2

Glad at least someone is standing up to Twitter mobs. The special is a statement against Twitter mobs, and how dangerous they can be for innocent individuals just expressing their opinions. Chappele’s trans friend most likely committed suicide because of intense Twitter bullying for defending Chappelle. We can’t keep letting Twitter mobs destroy people’s lives.

The phrase "twitter mob" is dehumanizing, I really suggest you stop using that phrase like that. Consider the individual and why some statements may have caused them to become upset. Consider that some people may be speaking out on social media because their lives are threatened, and dismissing them as part of a "twitter mob" doesn't help at all. Consider that if someone has a platform of millions of followers and is…

I have yet to see any convincing case of someone who has the wealth to afford a computer, internet, and time to spend on Twitter whose "lives are threatened", and no hyperbole causes a larger eye roll from me.

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Post by mpweiher »

coolandsmartrr wrote: post #14

The title I see on the linked page is "Netflix Suspends Trans Employee Who Spoke Out Against Chappelle Special Over Attending Meeting Without Permission". It may be different from what I currently see on HN: "Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says" These different titles may lead to different impressions of the same incident, influencing the comment section here. Just a heads up.

"Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says" is what's in the element of the linked article.

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Post by speeddemon »

0xy wrote: post #6

The Closer has a 97% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes, indicating universal acclaim among real people (not Twitter activists and "critics"). Twitter remains in the status of "not real life". The screeching of rabid activists on Twitter who can't take a joke without being deeply offended is irrelevant to public discourse. Everyone knows they're ridiculous and dangerous (censoring comedy strips away the most important…

There are some comedians who, upon hearing that someone is offended by one of their jokes, would have the courage to ask why, and listen deeply to the answer. They would then take the time to revise that joke, and make it better so that it can be enjoyed by the maximum number of people.

There are some other comedians who would decide to make the joke as cruel as possible and start insulting people who get offended. The joke then becomes about how much they can attack those people and make them part of the outgroup. Those people are probably permanently lost as fans unless the comedian decides to change their methods.

For some reason this conversation frequently happens in terms of "public discourse" and "rights" but it all seems to be centered around a very small group of people, and nobody really wants to talk about the series of individual actions that led to this point.

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Post by hresvelgr »

Mentions to cancel culture always make me remember a particular quote by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe: "Distrust those in whom the desire to punish is strong."

It is very sad to me that Daphne (the trans woman who committed suicide) got lynched by the LGBTQ+ community for defending Dave Chappelle because she actually knew him personally and that those jokes were just that, jokes. Having watched the special, I felt really saddened to find out that she had committed suicide. Dave described her with a lot of empathy, love, and tenderness. I cannot begin to imagine being attacked by your own people. Marginalised by an already marginal demographic. Who do you turn to?

In the special, Dave mentions that when he says he doesn't understand the trans experience Daphne replies: "I don't need you to understand me. I need you to believe I'm having a human experience." To me that's not the cry of a trans woman, its the cry of a deeply individual being. An individual not being respected and believed as one. Dave finishes the special by saying that Daphne's people weren't the LGTBQ+ because they had forsaken her, but that she was one of his: a comedian. I think it goes beyond that. Dave and Daphne belong to a group that has no group, the individual. One that in today's era of identity politics will never really be understood or believed.

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Post by speeddemon »

Snoozle wrote: post #22
speeddemon wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The phrase "twitter mob" is dehumanizing, I really suggest you stop using that phrase like that. Consider the individual and why some statements may have caused them to become upset. Consider that some people may be speaking out on social media because their lives are threatened, and dismissing them as part of a "twitter mob" doesn't help at all. Consider that if someone has a platform of millions of followers and is…

I have yet to see any convincing case of someone who has the wealth to afford a computer, internet, and time to spend on Twitter whose "lives are threatened", and no hyperbole causes a larger eye roll from me.

Are you saying that someone who has a computer, internet and a twitter account can't have their life threatened? What? If someone says their life is threatened, I suggest listening to what they have to say, and not dismissing it outright as hyperbole. If you feel twitter is overwhelming and causes a lot of eye rolling, then maybe take a break?

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Post by tptacek »

hresvelgr wrote: post #26

Mentions to cancel culture always make me remember a particular quote by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe: "Distrust those in whom the desire to punish is strong." It is very sad to me that Daphne (the trans woman who committed suicide) got lynched by the LGBTQ+ community for defending Dave Chappelle because she actually knew him personally and that those jokes were just that, jokes. Having watched the special, I felt real…

Nobody was lynched, and "the" LGBTQ+ didn't do anything here.

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Post by short12 »

tptacek wrote: post #7

They shouldn't take it down. But it's bad. It's his worst work; the kind of thing you toss off to fulfill a contract obligation. Every bit in it is predictable, mostly because it's almost all rehashed from previous specials. Kevin Hart's bid to host the Oscars? Why not work a Lorena Bobbitt joke in there while you're at it? He refers to himself as the GOAT in this special, but Bill Burr does this stuff 1000x better t…

Doesnt bill Burr just whine about women?
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