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Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Mentions to cancel culture always make me remember a particular quote by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe: "Distrust those in whom the desire to punish is strong." It is very sad to me that Daphne (the trans woman who committed suicide) got lynched by the LGBTQ+ community for defending Dave Chappelle because she actually knew him personally and that those jokes were just that, jokes. Having watched the special, I felt real…

Nobody was lynched, and "the" LGBTQ+ didn't do anything here.

Perhaps "lynching" was putting it too strongly. I am going off of Dave's take from the special that it was her own people that gave her the most backlash on Twitter.

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They shouldn't take it down. But it's bad. It's his worst work; the kind of thing you toss off to fulfill a contract obligation. Every bit in it is predictable, mostly because it's almost all rehashed from previous specials. Kevin Hart's bid to host the Oscars? Why not work a Lorena Bobbitt joke in there while you're at it? He refers to himself as the GOAT in this special, but Bill Burr does this stuff 1000x better t…

That’s to bad…. I haven’t seen this one but I went to the previous show, then watched the tv special.

One thing I noted is that in 2 different performances stuff he seems to “come up with on the fly” was actually carefully writen and performed. The audience Q&A at the end was probably the best part.

It was hard to tell (for me at least) when he was being serious and when he was pushing the limits on things because he could..

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody was lynched, and "the" LGBTQ+ didn't do anything here.

Perhaps "lynching" was putting it too strongly. I am going off of Dave's take from the special that it was her own people that gave her the most backlash on Twitter.

You know who wouldn't have much patience for using that word that way? Dave Chappelle.

I don't know what "her own people" means here, but Dave Chappelle sums Twitter up the way many of his supporters here do as well: "not real".

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The phrase "twitter mob" is dehumanizing, I really suggest you stop using that phrase like that. Consider the individual and why some statements may have caused them to become upset. Consider that some people may be speaking out on social media because their lives are threatened, and dismissing them as part of a "twitter mob" doesn't help at all. Consider that if someone has a platform of millions of followers and is…

Twitter mob is perfectly acceptable since large portions of those groups are Russian bots aiming to destabilize the US.

Please show proof of that in the specific instance you're talking about before dismissing someone as "part of a mob" or a "bot". Studies I've seen show that it's not always bots. Some people actually just do get mad when you say cruel things about them.

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps "lynching" was putting it too strongly. I am going off of Dave's take from the special that it was her own people that gave her the most backlash on Twitter.

You know who wouldn't have much patience for using that word that way? Dave Chappelle. I don't know what "her own people" means here, but Dave Chappelle sums Twitter up the way many of his supporters here do as well: "not real".

"You know who wouldn't have much patience for using that word that way? Dave Chappelle."

Did you ask him?

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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People are complaining about cancel culture, pretty sure are very biased. What Chapelle said was mostly anti-liberal crud, and I mean that in a classical sense, Chapelle whether intended or not, basically boosted reactionary rhetoric, it also extends to his racial undertone as well.

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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They shouldn't take it down. But it's bad. It's his worst work; the kind of thing you toss off to fulfill a contract obligation. Every bit in it is predictable, mostly because it's almost all rehashed from previous specials. Kevin Hart's bid to host the Oscars? Why not work a Lorena Bobbitt joke in there while you're at it? He refers to himself as the GOAT in this special, but Bill Burr does this stuff 1000x better t…

That’s to bad…. I haven’t seen this one but I went to the previous show, then watched the tv special. One thing I noted is that in 2 different performances stuff he seems to “come up with on the fly” was actually carefully writen and performed. The audience Q&A at the end was probably the best part. It was hard to tell (for me at least) when he was being serious and when he was pushing the limits on things because he…

Part of the problem is that these are already limits he's pushed over his last 4 specials. He has literally nothing new to say about them. I re-watched a marathon of those preceding specials after watching Closer; every scrap of material in this show was done better in those specials. I thought his long run on trans people in Sticks and Stones was generally pretty cringey, but at least the LGBT car bit had hooks.

Again, the whole "walking up to the line, losing the audience and then getting them back, subverting expectations" thing is something Bill Burr just demonstrably does better than Chappelle does. It didn't have to be that way; I think Chappelle has more natural talent and probably more to say. But he's gotten incredibly lazy. This special was an embarrassment.

Re: Netflix Won’t Take Down Dave Chappelle Special, Ted Sarandos Says

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Good, but Netflix needs to extend the same “creative freedom” more broadly than just stand up comedy. Neither JK Rowling nor Dave Chapelle nor anyone else should be cancelled for expressing an opinion on a controversial topic that is ultimately based on social consensus and has lots of room for interpretation and differences of opinion. But other content should also be similarly unmoderated and reflect a diversity of…

People really acting like he's a philosopher or canary in th coal mine.
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