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Post by tjmc »

chroem- wrote: post #3

It's been an odd experience having a few Australian HN posters attempt to rationalize to me why their police are justified in shooting people who leave their homes with rubber bullets, and why it's normal to be required to take surveillance photos of themselves in their own residences. I guess strict authoritarianism must be accompanied with equally strict media propaganda.

Why is it normal for Americans to wear a monitoring bracelet on their ankle at home? See what I did there? Please don't spread deliberate misinformation.

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by nhinck »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #100
paranoidrobot wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> shooting people who leave their homes with rubber bullets, Talk about misrepresenting facts to mislead. People who were rioting were met with force. These protesters weren't being peaceful, they were attacking camera crews and reporters. They were assaulting police officers. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/21/victo... > it's normal to be required to take surveillance photos of themselves in thei…

That's because 'protesting' is illegal lmao.

Protesting is not illegal

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by ImTheMaddest »

stephen_g wrote: post #101
ImTheMaddest wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can't blame the LNP for all of this. All of the surveillance related bills passed in the last 10 years have been bipartisan. I'd also go as far as to say this is what Australians want. Many people believe these laws won't be used against regular citizens and will assist in law enforcement efforts.

They’re the main ones pushing all these laws in. I am disgusted at Labor for their part but the core responsibility is 100% with the current Government. Just look at what’s happening now - in the last few days - Morrison and Joyce claimed they’re going to bring a bill to outlaw anonymous posting on social media sites - for the sole reason that some people were talking about a rumour that the just departed NSW deputy…

I didn't make that comment to have a political discussion, only to remark on the public's attitude to surveillance laws.

However, I would like to point out the legislation to force people to provide ID to use social media and dating sites has been in the works for some time.

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Hou...

Also note ALP's remarks on the bill, which call for sooner action and do not disagree with the report's findings.

Again, I'm not here to discuss partisan politics. I am only saying these laws seem to enjoy wide support.

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Post by kongin »

shirro wrote: post #114
bobbytit wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every single attempt at protesting against this tyranny has resulted in an overwhelming display of force by the police. If people are even slightly non-compliant when approached they are violently thrown on the ground and sat on.

Not justifying excessive use of violence my the Victorian police. There have been incidents by individuals and must be properly dealt with. If being thrown to the ground and sat on is a bad as it got for illegal protests during a public health stay at home order we still have some way to go before we reach full dystopia. The yanks had 5 people die during their failed insurrection. There were another 20 dead in riots…

The yanks had the people die because they were so out of shape a flight of stairs is an existential danger to a minority of protests and police.

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Post by LurkingPenguin »

grecy wrote: post #129
LurkingPenguin wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's a forgone conclusion that no country in the world will let you in without proof of COVID vaccination. There are countries that require all arrivals to quarantine regardless of vaccination status. I live in one of them (Taiwan). The issue with COVID vaccination is that it's still possible to become infected and transmit the virus to others even if you're vaccinated, so requiring vaccination for arrivals is a go…

Oh sure, some countries may also require quarantine before you can enter, and obviously that will vary by country. I'm just saying they will all require proof of vaccination for covid to be allowed in.

> I'm just saying they will all require proof of vaccination for covid to be allowed in.

And again, I'm just saying that this doesn't stop the introduction of the virus into the population, which is ostensibly the primary reason for requiring vaccination.

And what constitutes "vaccination"? 2 jabs? 3? 4? How are you going to verify vaccination records when most people are just getting cards that can easily be forged? What about people who have been vaccinated with a vaccine not approved for use in your country?

SARS-CoV-2 is well on its way to becoming endemic. There's likely to be a temporary phase where quarantines and/or proof of vaccination are required but this isn't going to be permanent.

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by nhinck »

grecy wrote: post #28
bobbytit wrote: post #2

No, we are not complacent. If we leave our home detention to protest anything we are arrested. Where the fuck can I claim asylum?

Ironically, Australians are currently not even permitted to leave the country!

Source please.

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by BuyMyBitcoins »

BloominOnion wrote: post #45

I'm becoming more and more despondent by the day here. I'll preface this with, I chose to be vaccinated - I believe the science, however... I watch people allow the Government and Corporations infringe on peoples body autonomy through mandatory vaccination. If you don't received a vaccine by a certain date - you'll lose your right to work in essential industries (it's a lot broader than just aged care or health care)…

I’m also taken aback at how easy it was for people to readily accept and encourage further restrictions, interventions, and punishments for non-compliance.

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by pentae »

stephen_g wrote: post #14

It’s a fairly complex situation. Most people just don’t realise all the encroaching police state laws even exist (I refer to the real ones Federally, not the temporary State-Government health orders that some people have tried to blow out of proportion). We have very little media diversity. The few billionaires who own the few outlets enjoy the continuing tax cuts, random free grants, advertising spend, etc. from the…

As an Australian I respectfully disagree with you and agree with the article - most Australians just don't care. I've consistently mentioned this to my Australian friends, colleagues, family members for about 10 years now and it's always met with complacency. Most people don't care, some people care but won't do anything about it, and some people think that "If i'm not doing anything wrong I have nothing to worry about". Most Australians trust the government will do the right thing.

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Post by endgame »

incompatible wrote: post #130
hresvelgr wrote: post #21

To anyone not from Australia or not across this, currently federal law enforcement can hack online accounts, remove, add, or modify data. They still need a warrant but can hack accounts in advance of a warrant, provided they have "reasonable suspicion" that the person they are hacking is committing a crime. There is also no recourse if the warrant is denied and they have already hacked the accounts of the person in s…

I think a previous law allows them to demand that hardware or software developers (people or companies) modify their products to aid in intercepting communications. Theoretically, this could even be by request of foreign countries with targets in foreign countries.

That would be the "Telecommunication and Other Legislation Amendment (Assistance and Access) Act 2018": https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2018A00148
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