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Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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As you will see hints of here, and in full effect if you ever stray into the strayan parts of reddit, most of my fellow citizens at best simply give no fucks, and at worst are raving statists under the impression they're with the screws rather than the inmates.

To most Australians, "liberty" is a silly concept for yanks, much like halloween and black friday sales.

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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My grandma's in Tasmania. Hasn't needed to wear a mask the entire time. My uncle has worn a mask for a couple of days total. My American-born kids are going to school in KN95 masks and spent most of last year doing temperature checks and health screenings. One of these looks like "a work of mid 20th century dystopian fiction", certainly.

> My grandma's in Tasmania. Hasn't needed to wear a mask the entire time. My uncle has worn a mask for a couple of days total. Now have them attempt that on the mainland. They'll be liable to have their bones broken by the police response.

My uncle's few days in a mask were in Sydney. No broken bones thus far. I've about a dozen relatives in Oz, including quite a few on the mainland; all seem to have had a much better pandemic experience than I have in the States.

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

#113

The problem is that it is very easy to have a decent life here in Australia. We have never had to feel the full force of the repercussions of our voting or policies and as such there is an apathy towards the direction of government policies, at least within my age group - "I don't care they can have my meme's" or some variation of "I have nothing to hide" is the most common attitude. Unfortunately, by the time the ef…

If you have good, progressive ideas and have time and energy, run for parliament. If Hanson, Katter, Christensen and all the other useless junk can get in, you have a chance. We do need a real progressive alternative in politics. Greens are good, but we need more.

Easier to run on fear of simple things that people understand as being a more immediate threat, unfortunately.

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Would be interested to see your sources for the occurrence of harassment, beating and arrest.

Every single attempt at protesting against this tyranny has resulted in an overwhelming display of force by the police. If people are even slightly non-compliant when approached they are violently thrown on the ground and sat on.

Not justifying excessive use of violence my the Victorian police. There have been incidents by individuals and must be properly dealt with.

If being thrown to the ground and sat on is a bad as it got for illegal protests during a public health stay at home order we still have some way to go before we reach full dystopia.

The yanks had 5 people die during their failed insurrection. There were another 20 dead in riots in the same year. They had cops firing on media.

The federal government's yearly bipartisan expansion of surveillance powers to catch up with our allies is seriously chilling shit that doesn't get reported in our media or pushed by the usual suspects on Facebook. But it concerns the hell out people in technical and legal areas and the problem will be with us long after emergency health orders are cancelled.

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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We can't blame the LNP for all of this. All of the surveillance related bills passed in the last 10 years have been bipartisan. I'd also go as far as to say this is what Australians want. Many people believe these laws won't be used against regular citizens and will assist in law enforcement efforts.

They’re the main ones pushing all these laws in. I am disgusted at Labor for their part but the core responsibility is 100% with the current Government. Just look at what’s happening now - in the last few days - Morrison and Joyce claimed they’re going to bring a bill to outlaw anonymous posting on social media sites - for the sole reason that some people were talking about a rumour that the just departed NSW deputy…

I really want them to try this. I think it'd be fun for Facebook to geoblock all of Australia.

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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It’s a fairly complex situation. Most people just don’t realise all the encroaching police state laws even exist (I refer to the real ones Federally, not the temporary State-Government health orders that some people have tried to blow out of proportion). We have very little media diversity. The few billionaires who own the few outlets enjoy the continuing tax cuts, random free grants, advertising spend, etc. from the…

I absolutely agree with you, although I'm a little more optimistic. 2PP has Labor winning the next election. Some key figures in the Liberal party (Frydenberg, Hunt) have some tough campaigns ahead of them after the massive bias against their home state that's been on display. Then there's the whole friendlyjordies thing, which I've heard commentary about in circles where I would have never expected it. I don't know…

> I don't know if the usual election lies will cut it this time.

People say that every time though and they always do.

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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That's heinous.

Seems less heinous than spreading a dangerous virus and killing hundreds or thousands of citizens? We’ve seen other countries try that approach (e.g. here in the USA) and it clearly harms society and has led to massive suffering and loss of life. Considering this is being trialed as an alternative to being locked under guard in a hotel or cabin for two weeks, it’s actually less invasive too…

And this is the problem with slippery slopes. I find the facial recognition gps tracking apps to be horribly intrusive and not a good alternative to being locked up in a hotel, which is also awful. They always pull this crap, and society ends up accepting the lesser of two evils. Like the meme, always has been.

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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The problem is that it is very easy to have a decent life here in Australia. We have never had to feel the full force of the repercussions of our voting or policies and as such there is an apathy towards the direction of government policies, at least within my age group - "I don't care they can have my meme's" or some variation of "I have nothing to hide" is the most common attitude. Unfortunately, by the time the ef…

If you have good, progressive ideas and have time and energy, run for parliament. If Hanson, Katter, Christensen and all the other useless junk can get in, you have a chance. We do need a real progressive alternative in politics. Greens are good, but we need more.

If people are voting for the likes of Hanson, Katter, and Christensen over the other candidates, it's unlikely that a scientist or engineer would have much chance. You'd be standing either as an independent or Greens candidate.

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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post #57

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That's heinous.

Seems less heinous than spreading a dangerous virus and killing hundreds or thousands of citizens? We’ve seen other countries try that approach (e.g. here in the USA) and it clearly harms society and has led to massive suffering and loss of life. Considering this is being trialed as an alternative to being locked under guard in a hotel or cabin for two weeks, it’s actually less invasive too…

That’s a horrible way to look at it. There are so many alternative ways to enforce a quarantine / lockdown without having to resort to such invasive things. If you use the justification of “harming society” and “massive suffering and loss of life” you can justify way more than just fighting COVID-19.

Slippery slope aside, why can’t the government merely enforce the curfew by telling citizens not to leave their homes instead of forcing them to take selfies at random intervals? If you don’t comply they send the police to your home. If you don’t comply out of protest, they’ll jail you for your safety, where you’re more likely to catch the disease they’re trying to keep you from catching. Pure insanity.

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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> shooting people who leave their homes with rubber bullets, Talk about misrepresenting facts to mislead. People who were rioting were met with force. These protesters weren't being peaceful, they were attacking camera crews and reporters. They were assaulting police officers. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/21/victo... > it's normal to be required to take surveillance photos of themselves in thei…

That's because 'protesting' is illegal lmao.

Violence is always a choice. Choose that, and suffer the consequences.
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