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Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by syshum »

thepasswordis wrote: post #232

There is currently a major outage at a major part of the infrastructure of our nation, and nobody believes anybody about why. The airline is saying it's something to do with weather, but somehow they're the only airline effected. Everybody online seems to the think it's some sort of labor strike, but the union denies this and nobody can find anywhere where people are planning this. And yet thousands of people are stu…

They blame the weather or ATAC because then they do not have to issue refunds or pay for hotels

if its internal mismanagement then they do, as always follow the money.....

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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downandout wrote: post #278
franga2000 wrote: post #273

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I think it's less about people being against the vaccine and more about people being against the mandates . One giant issue with them is that they completely ignore natural immunity, which over 30% of the country now has and studies show is drastically better than the vaccine, but without the dangerous side effects. If the mandates were rational, they would be centered around antibody tests.

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Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by syshum »

Cederfjard wrote: post #368
roenxi wrote: post #346

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That isn't true. There are a lot of unvaccinated people - notably any that have recovered from COVID - who pose less danger to their coworkers than someone who has only been vaccinated. This isn't based on risk assessment, this is based on ideology. There are situations developing where someone who is less likely to transmit COVID is being fired while someone more likely to transmit the disease is kept on - and every…

So would you be happy if in addition to vaccination and regular testing, regular antibody tests were also an alternative? And do you agree that this would also increase complexity (in my mind to questionable benefit)?

No, my vaccination protect me. They are not threat to me once I have been vaccinated, the data and science show this fact.

There is no reason for a vaccinated person to view an unvaccinated person as a threat.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by piva00 »

toyg wrote: post #363
smsm42 wrote: post #290

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The money they earned in the past are already spent and forgotten. The failure is now. So for the people who got the bonuses in the past it may be worth it (that's probably why they did it), but for the company as an ongoing concern it certainly isn't. It's like eating a lot of unhealthy foods and later getting sick - maybe some people consider it worth it, but most people kinda regret it when they get sick.

The thing is, a company isn't a person. In fact, LTDs were effectively invented in order to dissociate company lifecycles from human ones. So, from a purely rational perspective, if the company makes $100m profit over 10 years then gets "sick", well, job done - you just start another one and carry on. Money doesn't care for future consequences; if anything, inflation puts pressure on disposing of profits quickly whil…

> So, from a purely rational perspective, if the company makes $100m profit over 10 years then gets "sick", well, job done - you just start another one and carry on. Money doesn't care for future consequences; if anything, inflation puts pressure on disposing of profits quickly while postponing losses (and risk), even if doing so will eventually kill the company.

This is a purely financial take, not necessarily a purely rational one. I say that because it's pretty easy to dismiss all the human aspect of a company dying, all the suffering it creates as something to not be taken "rationally" but what it actually means is to push the human-factor into the statistics field and be done with it.

I don't agree with this worldview.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by newsclues »

dabernathy89 wrote: post #367
downandout wrote: post #250

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The most likely explanation is here [1]. Pilots (and apparently some air traffic controllers) are doing a sickout to protest vaccine mandates, presumably to make the powers that be understand just how difficult they can make things for the country if they proceed with intended mass firings. But the sickout is technically illegal, so nobody will acknowledge it. That is why you won't see a clear explanation of this inc…

> unless they take something that many consider to be quite dangerous. Of course, zero pushback on this nonsense idea

Is it nonsense that the vaccines may be dangerous or that many consider the vaccines to be dangerous?

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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koheripbal wrote: post #378
thrdbndndn wrote: post #114

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Maybe there is something between the lines, but it really does not say much other than the obvious "our operations are worse than other carriers".

Im skeptical of a statement from the Union in this case. They may have ulterior motives to releasing a statement like this.

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Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by jhugo »

HamburgerEmoji wrote: post #339
jhugo wrote: post #326

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VAERS is unverified, unfiltered user-generated content. > “Many of these types of claims that we hear are actually a misrepresentation of the VAERS data,” Vasudevan said. > The pace of reporting has picked up: In North Carolina alone, roughly 70,000 reports have come in related to the COVID vaccines — more than triple the total back in May, when CBS 17 explained what the database does — and does not — tell you. > “It…

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The SNR is probably pretty high in VAERS in general most of the time, but when we have a misinformation pandemic combined with a real pandemic, it's easy to see how the data becomes polluted pretty fast.

And I agree, the USA should probably have better reporting systems!

Some other countries do, some of them have much better data quality than VAERS, and genuine analysis of them still agrees that the vaccines have a good safety profile. To just select a few English-language systems:

UK: https://coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk

Australia: https://www.ncirs.org.au/our-work/ausvaxsafety

Canada: https://cps.ca/impact

Some more background from McGill University: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking...

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by logicchains »

dabernathy89 wrote: post #367
downandout wrote: post #250

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The most likely explanation is here [1]. Pilots (and apparently some air traffic controllers) are doing a sickout to protest vaccine mandates, presumably to make the powers that be understand just how difficult they can make things for the country if they proceed with intended mass firings. But the sickout is technically illegal, so nobody will acknowledge it. That is why you won't see a clear explanation of this inc…

> unless they take something that many consider to be quite dangerous. Of course, zero pushback on this nonsense idea

It's such a nonsense idea that Finland and Sweden recently halted Moderna vaccination for under-30s males due to, in the views of their health authorities, the risks outweighing the benefits? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-mode...

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by [deleted] »

twofornone wrote: post #264
downandout wrote: post #250

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The most likely explanation is here [1]. Pilots (and apparently some air traffic controllers) are doing a sickout to protest vaccine mandates, presumably to make the powers that be understand just how difficult they can make things for the country if they proceed with intended mass firings. But the sickout is technically illegal, so nobody will acknowledge it. That is why you won't see a clear explanation of this inc…

The downvotes on this site have gotten insane. This is a perfectly rational comment. Whether you agree with them or not, just burying your hand and refusing to acknowledge that a nontrivial percentage of workers oppose mandates is just asinine. Boneheaded authoritarianism. If you ever wondered how horrors like the soviet union and nazi germany are possible, take a look at the religious groupthink that has seemingly c…

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Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by dredmorbius »

maxerickson wrote: post #371
dredmorbius wrote: post #316

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Operating a business is a lot like flying an airline in one respect: It's not your average hight above the zero point that matters so much as never, ever going below it. Failure to maintain altitude above ground level and failure to maintain solvency are in many ways equivalent. Both domains involve taking risks, but with severe consequences when either risks are miscalculated or ground truths change. Financial bets…

Wouldn't the relevant analogy be operating income? It's usually not a problem for a business to incur a short term operating loss.

"Solvency", writ large, is ability to service debts.

It's not quite as simple as cash-on-hand, turnover, or profitability. Start-ups without revenues or net profits may be solvent if investment capital is available, premised on future profitability or a viable exit strategy. But it's fairly strongly related.

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