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Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by downandout »

nemothekid wrote: post #279
twofornone wrote: post #264

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The downvotes on this site have gotten insane. This is a perfectly rational comment. Whether you agree with them or not, just burying your hand and refusing to acknowledge that a nontrivial percentage of workers oppose mandates is just asinine. Boneheaded authoritarianism. If you ever wondered how horrors like the soviet union and nazi germany are possible, take a look at the religious groupthink that has seemingly c…

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I deleted a tweet in the comment that was an afterthought, not the comment itself. The comment itself still holds true. I am not an anti-vaxxer, and you couldn't have drawn that conclusion if you had actually read the comment. I was simply stating why this happened. I don't like that it's happening anymore than you apparently do, nor did I render any opinion on whether or not I agreed with the pilots and ATCs that are doing this.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

twofornone wrote: post #264
downandout wrote: post #250

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The most likely explanation is here [1]. Pilots (and apparently some air traffic controllers) are doing a sickout to protest vaccine mandates, presumably to make the powers that be understand just how difficult they can make things for the country if they proceed with intended mass firings. But the sickout is technically illegal, so nobody will acknowledge it. That is why you won't see a clear explanation of this inc…

The downvotes on this site have gotten insane. This is a perfectly rational comment. Whether you agree with them or not, just burying your hand and refusing to acknowledge that a nontrivial percentage of workers oppose mandates is just asinine. Boneheaded authoritarianism. If you ever wondered how horrors like the soviet union and nazi germany are possible, take a look at the religious groupthink that has seemingly c…

> "99% survival rate"

1% dead means around 3.5 million dead, in the US alone. Do you consider that acceptable?

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by nemothekid »

downandout wrote: post #281
nemothekid wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I deleted a tweet in the comment that was an afterthought, not the comment itself. The comment itself still holds true. I am not an anti-vaxxer, and you couldn't have drawn that conclusion if you had actually read the comment. I was simply stating why this happened. I don't like that it's happening anymore than you apparently do, nor did I render any opinion on whether or not I agreed with the pilots and ATCs that ar…

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Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by [deleted] »

narrator wrote: post #196
throwaway224466 wrote: post #78

Southwest's pilot union sued the company over its Covid-19 vaccine mandate a few days ago[1], this is clearly related. The media isn't reporting this because the media owners don't want the masses hearing about others beginning to revolt against the draconian and illogical vaccine mandates (i.e. Why wouldn't a naturally derived antibody test be allowed in place of a vaccine, considering that's the whole point of gett…

Thanks for the real story. I always scoot all the way to the bottom of the page to the lowest rated comments and start reading there to get the real story on any non-technical HN thread.

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Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by downandout »

nemothekid wrote: post #284
downandout wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I deleted a tweet in the comment that was an afterthought, not the comment itself. The comment itself still holds true. I am not an anti-vaxxer, and you couldn't have drawn that conclusion if you had actually read the comment. I was simply stating why this happened. I don't like that it's happening anymore than you apparently do, nor did I render any opinion on whether or not I agreed with the pilots and ATCs that ar…

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Where did I say that I was surprised? I knew that most people wouldn't read the comment. Both vaccine zealots and anti-vaxxers tend to fly off the handle after reading a word or two that they disagree with and make the rest up in their head. I didn't make anything up, I was merely posting what someone else said and which is the only reasonable explanation for what is happening.

Since you're deriding mine, you seem to have a better explanation for why a huge part of our transportation infrastructure went dark a day after the Southwest pilot's union went to court to try to stop the vaccine mandate. Would you care to share it? I'm certain we would all love to hear it.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by nemothekid »

downandout wrote: post #286
nemothekid wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Where did I say that I was surprised? I knew that most people wouldn't read the comment. Both vaccine zealots and anti-vaxxers tend to fly off the handle after reading a word or two that they disagree with and make the rest up in their head. I didn't make anything up, I was merely posting what someone else said and which is the only reasonable explanation for what is happening. Since you're deriding mine, you seem to…

I don't have an explanation. I don't have any insights into Southwest's infrastructure and because of that I'm willing to not post any theories - I would be making shit up. Likewise, I wouldn't repost poorly sourced explanations and potentially spread more misinformation. I think all that makes for poor discussion and are the types of comments that would get downvoted.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by BHSPitMonkey »

Southwest is lucky we don't have the same consumer protection laws in the U.S. as E.U. citizens have. If we did, they'd be paying out to passengers big time this weekend. (Or, more realistically, they would have taken better precautions to prevent an event like this from happening in the first place.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_Compensation_Regulation

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by nikau »

trixie_ wrote: post #102
tdeck wrote: post #40

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I've been on the other side of this and seen too many teams neglect to fix even the simplest and most frustrating bugs in a system because they're going to rewrite it "in the next six months". Usually the rewrite is still going years later, and the actual code used in production is left to rot, holding back other teams as well.

It happens when you have a lot of new people who refuse to work with legacy code (which is anything over 2 years old), trivialize the complexity of the existing system (because they don’t understand a tenth of what it does), go create a sub par replacement with tons of people and years of work (that ends up coupled to the legacy system anyways), and now the company has two systems to maintain requiring double the res…

Most of the new development I've worked on has been terrible, I attribute it to agile and the two week sprints churning out non stop MVP code that's technical debt from day one.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by smsm42 »

kortilla wrote: post #222
smsm42 wrote: post #168

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> our operation has become brittle and subject to massive failures under the slightest pressure I somehow notice a lot of this lately, in many different areas. I wonder if there isn't a common cause behind those. Is it just covid or something bigger?

This is only “a failure” if the loss from this is worse than all of the money they have saved over the years by running so lean. This type of event is the obvious possible downside that is well known when you structure a company this way. It’s not that events like this aren’t expected, it’s that prepping for them costs more than the loss from not being able to absorb them.

The money they earned in the past are already spent and forgotten. The failure is now. So for the people who got the bonuses in the past it may be worth it (that's probably why they did it), but for the company as an ongoing concern it certainly isn't. It's like eating a lot of unhealthy foods and later getting sick - maybe some people consider it worth it, but most people kinda regret it when they get sick.
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