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Post by _carbyau_ »

Fricken wrote: post #113
musicale wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference between being anti-CCP and anti-China.

No difference really. Domestic approval ratings for the CCP are through the roof. https://www.npr.org/2020/09/23/913650298/as-u-s-views-of-chi...

Conflation? There is a very distinct difference.

1. China, as a nation consists of ALL the citizens of said nation.

2. CPP, only consists of ruling party.

The people's opinions don't matter as to their grouping. I can still be for one group and against another.

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Post by lionsdan »

wolverine876 wrote: post #128
lelandfe wrote: post #69

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> The easiest way to inject a propaganda idea into most people’s minds is to let it go through the medium of an entertainment picture when they do not realize that they are being propagandized. - Elmer Davis, director of the US Office of War Information

Where is that quote from? I don't want to ironically get caught by propaganda (or misinformation) myself.

Here's an article that includes it.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/how-hollywood-became-the-unof...

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Post by WhySoGullible »

yostrovs wrote: post #129
Fricken wrote: post #122

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You are the gullible and ignorant victim of western anti-china propaganda. Many independent studies have been done. They all show very high approval ratings. Higher now, after the pandemic.

It is against the law to criticize the CCP in China. What mechanism did the pollsters and researchers use to overcome that? Moreover, as with democracy, it is more than having the right to vote. It is also the right to know what your elected representatives are up to and what the state of the nation is. So if you ask people thoroughly drowning in state enforced propaganda from an early age what they think about somet…

Here is one of the higher quality, long-term studies conducted by Harvard's Ash Center. You can read their full methodology below.

[1] https://ash.harvard.edu/news/ash-center-researchers-release-...

[2][pdf]: https://ash.harvard.edu/files/ash/files/final_policy_brief_7...

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by msla »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #99
CamperBob2 wrote: post #70

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Enemy at the Gates is pretty good.

The GP asked for movies about winning the WWII, not winning in the WWII. Enemy at the Gates was just a sniper duel movie (a good one, though).

> The GP asked for movies about winning the WWII, not winning in the WWII.

Russia didn't win WWII, given that they didn't fight Japan in any meaningful way.

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Post by msla »

satao wrote: post #67
perihelions wrote: post #38

Of course Wikimedia won't take any action to appease this totalitarian nonsense. But, most for-profit companies do exactly that. When was the last time any Hollywood movie or mainstream entertainment mentioned Taiwanese conflict? When do you last remember seeing "Free Tibet"? Or any Tibet? Chinese film censors can apply billions of dollars of pressure, simply to change a single word. Who can withstand that? Wikimedia…

It's even crazier because when you are not american you realize that Hollywood is also the biggest soft propaganda agency for the USA. When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Or about the Guantanamo Bay?

> When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2?

The USSR didn't defeat Japan.

The Second World War was against Japan, Germany, and, to some extent, Italy. The USSR only fought Germany.

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Post by msla »

Blikkentrekker wrote: post #138
satao wrote: post #67

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It's even crazier because when you are not american you realize that Hollywood is also the biggest soft propaganda agency for the USA. When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Or about the Guantanamo Bay?

The intro sequence for Star Trek: Enterprise [1] was quite interesting to say the least. — It details the history of human exploration culminating in man's achievement of a method of faster than light travel, so it implies, but strangely the first man in space and the first artificial satellite are omitted, and in their stead we may behold a majestic sight of an unknown U.S.A. submarine. Careful now, lest the audienc…

You're right, the sequence should give more focus to the first (and only) humans on the Moon.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by rndgermandude »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #110
TeMPOraL wrote: post #99

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The GP asked for movies about winning the WWII, not winning in the WWII. Enemy at the Gates was just a sniper duel movie (a good one, though).

Is the claim here that the US has organizations that actively work to prevent a movie showing Russians winning WW2? It is easier for me to believe that a movie specifically about the Russians winning WW2 simply would not get financed due to low probability of earning a decent ROI due to American/English audiences not wanting to pay to watch it. I was also taught in US history AP class in high school that a significan…

>I was also taught in US history AP class in high school that a significant, if not necessary, element of winning WW2 was the Russians tying up the Germans on the eastern front

The Soviets along with some remaining Polish forces also won the battle of Berlin (which caused Hitler to commit suicide), having pushed back the German army all the way back from the gates of Moscow to the gates of Berlin. The Third Reich, left with no "leader" and no capital and no significant territory neither in the east nor in the west really had no option other than total capitulation or total defeat. The capitulation happened a week later. The Western Front and the Eastern Front in the end had about the same amount of German causalities and captures.

Anyway, the Soviets did a little more than "just" tying up Germans on the Eastern Front.

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Post by bombcar »

wolverine876 wrote: post #132
cryptonitez wrote: post #62

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It would really be fun to make a movie about overthrowing the CCP, could be uplifting.

It's pretty shocking that there isn't such a movie - or any movie with the CCP as the baddie - and I haven't heard someone propose it before.

This article explains exactly why - all companies involved would get blackballed by China and lose that lucrative market.

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Post by iszomer »

wolverine876 wrote: post #132
cryptonitez wrote: post #62

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It would really be fun to make a movie about overthrowing the CCP, could be uplifting.

It's pretty shocking that there isn't such a movie - or any movie with the CCP as the baddie - and I haven't heard someone propose it before.

Try Spy Game starring Robert Redford and Brad Pitt.

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Post by furgooswft13 »

msla wrote: post #164
TeMPOraL wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GP asked for movies about winning the WWII, not winning in the WWII. Enemy at the Gates was just a sniper duel movie (a good one, though).

> The GP asked for movies about winning the WWII, not winning in the WWII. Russia didn't win WWII, given that they didn't fight Japan in any meaningful way.

uhm, the USSR's invasion of Manchuria was arguably the biggest reason Japan surrendered when they did.
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